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So you´d be surprised if anyone read anything anyone with the slightest clue about this topic has to say?

Nonsense, the quickest way to become a holocaust denier is to read the most important 'eyewitnesses', Yankel Wiernik, Elie Weisel, Abraham Bomba, Filip Meuller. Their writings are obvious complete phantasmagoria, and will convince anyone with an ounce of critical facility that the holohoax is the product of pathological liars the likes of which the world has never seen.

Best place to start - "Three Years In a Gas Chamber" by Filip Meuller, the "only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell the story" by Yad Vashem director Yehuda Bauer, available on Amazon.
 
So you´d be surprised if anyone read anything anyone with the slightest clue about this topic has to say?

I´m beginning to understand how you can be a Holocaust denier...

Maybe if you understood the value of the Holocaust to the Zionists and neocons you'd understand how they got away with attacking the USS Liberty and pushing us into two wars and the Patriot Act with the NEW Pearl Harbor.
 
Maybe if you understood the value of the Holocaust to the Zionists and neocons you'd understand how they got away with attacking the USS Liberty and pushing us into two wars and the Patriot Act with the NEW Pearl Harbor.

Can anyone else hear the sound of a cuckoo?
 
This is one of my favorite topics, even so, I confess, I didn't read your idiotic ramblings past the first few sentences, I'd be surprised if anyone did.

Here is the fact - there was, until 1992 or so, only one, 1, incontrovertible piece of evidence that the holohoax had actually taken place, and that was the chutes in the ceiling of the hoax Auschwitz gas chamber. In 1992 David Cole shot a video at camp which featured the museum director Frantisek Piper revealing that the chutes were constructed by the Soviets after the war's end. The single piece of physical evidence was revealed to be a fabrication.

You realize that repeating yourself won't make what you say true, right?
 
Can anyone else hear the sound of a cuckoo?
It is, to put it mildly, hard to understand why Clayton Moore figures it is incompatible to revile the neoconservative movement whilst understanding that the Holocaust occurred. It does have the odor of conspiracism to link these elements here as some sort of argument, nearly indecipherable.
 
You realize that repeating yourself won't make what you say true, right?
I confess to having read Nick's post, and then, having read Saggy's, wondering in fact why Saggy does continue, unless he simply does like repeating himself: for he has no specific answer for Nick.
 
It is, to put it mildly, hard to understand why Clayton Moore figures it is incompatible to revile the neoconservative movement whilst understanding that the Holocaust occurred. It does have the odor of conspiracism to link these elements here as some sort of argument, nearly indecipherable.

You misspelled "anti-Semitism."
 
Nonsense, the quickest way to become a holocaust denier is to read the most important 'eyewitnesses', Yankel Wiernik, Elie Weisel, Abraham Bomba, Filip Meuller. Their writings are obvious complete phantasmagoria, and will convince anyone with an ounce of critical facility that the holohoax is the product of pathological liars the likes of which the world has never seen.

Best place to start - "Three Years In a Gas Chamber" by Filip Meuller, the "only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell the story" by Yad Vashem director Yehuda Bauer, available on Amazon.

I was a believer before I read the testimonies on the internet.
I still believe that the Holocaust, what actually happened, was not history's finest hour by a long shot.

The pieces, the resources and the mechanics don't fit/support the the relatively small window of opportunity of the so called death camps. The numbers get more absurd when three years of weather, glitches and resulting staging must be considered.
 
Well, that's good news. Perhaps you can provide the name of a single person who worked there who ever said it was a transit camp. Or a survivor of that transit camp.

Take your time. We'll wait.
 
Treblinka was No Extermination Camp - Just Transit Station


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wsxmCTScCE&feature=related

Clayton. You have come across the Richard Krege Treblinka Report hoax by holocaust deniers. Ask any holocaust denier you want. Not one of them has ever seen the final "Krege Report" as it doesn't exist.

On the video Krege says the data was sent to GPR experts. However Krege can't name who they are. Krege took soil samples for analysis and sent them where? He can't say. In fact Krege can't even say what days he was at Treblinka at all.

If Krege examined Treblinka in 1999 can you offer us a reason why no Krege report exists in 2011 after 12years?

Do you agree there is no "Krege report"? (If you think it is real link us to it or find one holocaust denier who has ever read it)
 
I confess to having read Nick's post, and then, having read Saggy's, wondering in fact why Saggy does continue, unless he simply does like repeating himself: for he has no specific answer for Nick.

Indeed not. Further discussion is pointless, because Saggy has the reasoning skills and argumentative abilities of a seven year old.
 
I still didnt get answer about Irena Sendler. I guess its to inconvenient for holocaust deniers.
 
Nonsense, the quickest way to become a holocaust denier is to read the most important 'eyewitnesses', Yankel Wiernik, Elie Weisel, Abraham Bomba, Filip Meuller. Their writings are obvious complete phantasmagoria, and will convince anyone with an ounce of critical facility that the holohoax is the product of pathological liars the likes of which the world has never seen.

Best place to start - "Three Years In a Gas Chamber" by Filip Meuller, the "only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell the story" by Yad Vashem director Yehuda Bauer, available on Amazon.
How many times have you tried that here? How many times have you found agreement among the regular JREF members? How many people go away to have a good look at these records and come back convinced there was no Holocaust?

Not any of the people whose names appear on the replies you pretend to address to them. It seems more likely that you're talking to an unseen audience of lurkers. Apparently it worked on ClaytonMoore but you wrote "will convince anyone with an ounce of critical facility" and he does appear to run afoul of meeting those criteria according to the rest of the readers here. Galileo he aint.

Is that really how you become a Holocaust denier? Why does this Holocaust denial remain such a fringe group of people whose critical thinking skills are even criticized by other members of the same subgroup -interchangeably- called revisionists, at the cesspit? Did you see what the poster named Cloud called you and your approach to proselytizing? Another clown vying for the spotlight on the far side of a three ring circus.

Holocaust denier says: No Holes therefore No Holocaust.
Skeptic notes that it doesn't necessarily follow but decides to have a look anyway.
Finds; Pressac, Keren, McCarthy & Mazal among others
Concludes: Holes therefore Holocaust. Since it is a familiar pattern with Holocaust denier claims that they don't match reality he mumbles to himself [******** therefore Holocaust deniers.] In passing he notes that Cole, in his own on camera act, mentions Pressac but observes that Cole nevertheless rambles on about doors that are already explained by reading Pressac and by looking at -by then- nearly 50 year old blueprints. Now there are information signs that match what the scholarly works and printed guides to history already indicated. Auschwitz is no longer run by the SS. It has become a memorial and museum.

Enough of the original structures are left to reconstruct what happened there during the 12 year Reich's occupation of Poland - according to the Sonderkommando and other Auschwitz witnesses you deride without much reason. Including the re-opened holes and the traces of holes still sealed when the pre-existing building indeed had its function changed again. The outer walls and the ceiling have been there since the 1920s. They do indeed reveal that the building was used as a gas chamber for a period of time. Just as the crematorium elements were reconstructed but weren't the original function of the building - even though you claim that. When you aren't temporarily pretending that the entire building was built after the war, that is. It is obvious why you find the witnesses inconvenient. They don't automatically turn a person into a Holocaust denier. On the contrary.

Here is part of the text on the sign outside Block 11:
"Over the period 3-5 September 1941, the SS caried out experiment in the basement with Zyklon B in preparation for the mass murder of Jews: 600 Soviet POWs and 250 Polish political prisoners, selected from the camp infirmary as human guinea-pigs for this experiment, were murdered here in this way."
To show that it too is remembered as a gas chamber. It too has walls with traces you can't hand wave away. It too still has elements for which you scramble to find alternative explanations because you don't want to accept what is indeed clear to all but a fringe of ever more clumsy deniers. The more we learn about the place and its history over time the more far fetched your alternatives sound. You shoot yourself in the foot by drawing attention to these details but that appears to be your main goal. Making your victory dances quite amusing.

Is someone like ClaytonMoore really your target audience? For your sake I hope so. It doesn't look to me that your having much impact on the rest of the JREF members with your stundied routines. It is even more patently obvious that you're not rewriting history books with these repetitions. Here at JREF you only have this stage. One thread. Will you be attempting to perform the "transparent doors" play from scene 1 act 1 again after a brief intermission? I join the chanting chorus of hecklers from the displeased audience and ask again, for whose benefit? Are you just a masochist? Do you really think you're having a positive impact here or is there really a silent crowd outside more receptive to your routine? I'm not seeing it.
 
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