Talk about a wolf guarding the sheep ...

BeAChooser said:
You think I haven't? I've raised concerns about Panetta many times in my posting career. Here's the first post of the latest example where I voiced concerns about him ... http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4340045&postcount=99 . Now you were here at JREF back then? Why didn't you join THAT discussion? Hmmmmm? :D
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Love the way you answered the bit about you raising the issue previously and still managed to dodge mentioning the part about the vote being 100-0. It is like you are doing some kind of mental parkour, leaping and dodging the parts that make you look foolish.

Sadly they are still sitting here in plain sight but I am sure in your mind you are really showing the mythical "folks" in your audience who is in charge.

So, any comment about why all the republicans voted to confirm? And how it is Clintons fault that they did? :D
 
Well. . .what else can you do when you've swallowed a long since debunked April Fool's Day hoax and spouted it off (by JAQing off) as a CT in a discussion about another CT?
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Well. . .what else can you do when you've swallowed a long since debunked April Fool's Day hoax and spouted it off (by JAQing off) as a CT in a discussion about another CT?
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The inability to simply say, "Oh I thought it was real. I guess I was WRONG." is just sad.
 
Tangentially on topic: is there something wrong with a wolf guarding sheep? Sheep aren't particularly good at guarding themselves, and using wolves is essentially what Humans have been doing for centuries.

So... would that mean choosing an enemy to guard you from another enemy would give you an edge if the other enemy isn't expecting to face themselves, but instead "sheep"?

This metaphor seems strained at best.
 
elbe said:
Tangentially on topic: is there something wrong with a wolf guarding sheep? Sheep aren't particularly good at guarding themselves, and using wolves is essentially what Humans have been doing for centuries.
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Well, considering that what we are mostly interested in guarding the sheep from is being eaten by wolves. it seems somewhat unproductive.

It's like hiring a a guy to protect a Krispy Kreme warehouse and picking the guy that is overweight and comes to the interview with powdered sugar on his face and shirt.
 
BeAChooser said:
You think I haven't? I've raised concerns about Panetta many times in my posting career. Here's the first post of the latest example where I voiced concerns about him ... http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4340045&postcount=99 . Now you were here at JREF back then? Why didn't you join THAT discussion? Hmmmmm? :D
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Well I hope you're rasing the same concerns regarding the 47 treasonous, communist-loving, capitalisit-hating Republicans that have been elected to the United States Senate.
 
cwalner said:
Well, considering that what we are mostly interested in guarding the sheep from is being eaten by wolves. it seems somewhat unproductive.
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But using a wolf to protect the sheep from other wolves is more effective than letting the sheep fend for themselves. It just takes domestication.

I mean, yeah, I get what it means, I just think it's ignoring that we've used wolves (then dogs) to actually guard stuff for centuries. Maybe I'm just putting too much thought into it.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Well I hope you're rasing the same concerns regarding the 47 treasonous, communist-loving, capitalisit-hating Republicans that have been elected to the United States Senate.
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Or maybe it's not their fault because Panetta somehow managed to keep his Mao-loving a secret (except of course from CT-minded bloggers on the internet). That is, Panetta somehow managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the GOP senators.

Oh wait---that's where the sheep come in. . .
 
elbe said:
But using a wolf to protect the sheep from other wolves is more effective than letting the sheep fend for themselves. It just takes domestication.

I mean, yeah, I get what it means, I just think it's ignoring that we've used wolves (then dogs) to actually guard stuff for centuries. Maybe I'm just putting too much thought into it.
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Well, you can't go getting literal with cliches. (Try to figure out "head over heels"!) And a "wolf guarding the sheep" seems conventional, though a bit obscure. (I'm guessing it means the same thing as "the fox guarding the henhouse"*--or one I remember from baby boomer TV: "That's like leaving a lit match in charge of dynamite!")

I think maybe "a wolf in sheep's clothing" might be closer to what BAC meant, though. 'Cause really--I can't figure out who the sheep are otherwise.

*ETA: And "fox guarding the henhouse" would have been better . . . because it was a red fox.
 
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Schrodinger's Cat said:
So this guy is friends with a communist. What's your point? The most conservative friend I have (and I mean, to the point that he's a lawyer who volunteers his services for Republican political campaigns, and for far right candidates, not moderates) is married to a Chinese citizen who was raised in Communist China, whose parents are active members of the Communist bureaucracy, and who only moved here from China one year ago. That doesn't make him a communist.

In college, as a vegetarian concerned with animal and environmental issues, I was friends with more radical vegetarians, the kind who actually advocate criminal acts and are involved with groups like ALF and ELF. I even went to a few meetings lead by a man who is now in jail for his illegal politically motivated activities.

But I never became a radical myself, never threatened anyone or committed any illegal activities by animal welfare/environmental activists, nor do I endorse these activities. In fact, I openly condemn these acts and groups. Heck, I don't even promote vegetarianism in any way (though I did in my early college years). I just am one. I buy and cook meat for my husband, for pete's sakes.

I really don't understand these threads you make in which you think being associated or friends with someone means you must share their ideology, and the only proof needed is the existence of said friendship or association.
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I'm wondering about John Lennon.

He married someone from China and was friends with a homosexual (Brian Epstein.)


John Lennon was an advocate for gay Chinese.


Upchurch said:
There ya go. Looking at the trees and not the forest.

The important thing here isn't that B's story of a printer bringing down Iraq's air defense system is complete hogwash. The important thing is that B's story lend credence to his belief that Obama is a socialist/communist and, therefore, we should uncritically accept this April Fools joke as true.

Or something.
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In this case Obama is a socialist/commie because Leon Panetta is friends with a Chinese commie.
 
Is this thread just another opportunity for BAC to advertise his right-wing propaganda web sites that make up their own information so that people like him can try to make us think they are real stories?

You really lost all credibility when trying to pass off a story about Pelosi charging the tax payers for a 757-200 to use to get home from work. Do we have to spend all of our time going through these propaganda blogs to point out where the claims are fictional?
 
Jonnyclueless said:
Is this thread just another opportunity for BAC to advertise his right-wing propaganda web sites that make up their own information so that people like him can try to make us think they are real stories?

You really lost all credibility when trying to pass off a story about Pelosi charging the tax payers for a 757-200 to use to get home from work. Do we have to spend all of our time going through these propaganda blogs to point out where the claims are fictional?
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Yeah, a clear spamming attempt. He makes them all just enough different to not be actionable.
 
So the wolf (Panetta) is after the Chinese spam, and the sheep he's guarding are. . um. . .nope, I still don't get what sheep he's guarding.
 
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