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[Shrek]

Assertion:

In the US and in the West nobody would care if 3000 Iranians or Vietnamese were killed.

Broad brush, hasty generalization.

Yes, you are right.
Maybe I have little bit pushed my argument too much.
Let` s say that the vast majority of the people in the West would not even bother to read the news in detail even if the murderers are their own soldiers and the few who did would probably dedicate few minutes of their time to think about the "poor souls" who died, and try to find a reason for what has happened that would with within their "we are good vs. other are bad" mental framework (ex.: we were fighting communists, I am sure it was a mistake, etc. etc.).

Of course, nobody (err.. except for maybe a tiny minority of the population) would ask for anything like a trial for the murderers in case the murderers are soldiers of their own army.
Except if there are few deaths of some of their fellow citizens involved, maybe.

JP

 

[WildCat]

In the US and in the West nobody would care if 3000 Iranians or Vietnamese were killed.
This is a fact.

Do you have any evidence for this "fact"? You do realize all I have to show is a single person who cares to prove you wrong?

Did anybody in the West cared when Saddam killed far more than 3000 Iranian civlians? Nope.

Wrong.

Did anybody in the West cared when Vietnmese civilians were napalm-ed by American troops during Vietnam war? Yes, as they were mostly (tacitly or openly) supporting such action.

JP

Lots of people cared, that pic of a 10 year old napalm victim was on magazine covers and is an iconic image to this day. People protested that war by the millions.

What country do you live in where you have such a distorted view of the west?

 

[IDB87]

What country do you live in where you have such a distorted view of the west?

Just outside of Far Far Away.

 

[Shrek]

Do you have any evidence for this "fact"? You do realize all I have to show is a single person who cares to prove you wrong?

Again.
I have to apologize.
People in the US could care about 3000 Iranian deaths a little bit.
Maybe as if their own dog died (just an estimate)

As for the fact, I have already asked here if anyone can point me to the trials that the US Government set up to condemn the soldiers that murdered civilians in, say, Vietnam.

Wrong.

Ah,OK

Lots of people cared, that pic of a 10 year old napalm victim was on magazine covers and is an iconic image to this day. People protested that war by the millions.

By the millions..
Yes.
Maybe when their own soldiers started to come back home in a plastic bag.

May I ask you how many soldiers of the US Army were put on trial for genocide and/or massacre and/or mass murder of civilians in Vietnam (a part from the My Lai massacre)?

What country do you live in where you have such a distorted view of the west?

Countries do not exist.
I am an human being and live on planet Earth.

 

[Resume]

Again.
I have to apologize.
People in the US could care about 3000 Iranian deaths a little bit.
Maybe as if their own dog died (just an estimate)

Oh please. If this is how you choose to frame this debate, you've lost.

 

[Shrek]

Oh please. If this is how you choose to frame this debate, you've lost.

Ah, it was a game?
I did not know that..

 

[WildCat]

Countries do not exist.
I am an human being and live on planet Earth.

Countries certainly do exist on Planet Earth, perhaps you're posting from a bizarro universe?

 

[Trifikas]

In the US and in the West nobody would care if 3000 Iranians or Vietnamese were killed.
This is a fact.
JP

Let's just disprove this little assumption once and for all:

http://www.usaid.gov/iran/
http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/2506/117/
http://www.usicomos.org/activities/bam-iran-earthquake-disaster-assistance

Not a fact. Don't care what you think of American politicians or or policies, but don't pretend that Americans don't care, and shame on you to try and use it as any kind of argument.

 

[Shrek]

Let's just disprove this little assumption once and for all:

http://www.usaid.gov/iran/
http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/2506/117/
http://www.usicomos.org/activities/bam-iran-earthquake-disaster-assistance

Not a fact. Don't care what you think of American politicians or or policies, but don't pretend that Americans don't care, and shame on you to try and use it as any kind of argument.

I see.
Some volunteers from Texas helping Iran quake victims completely changed my perspective!

Wait..

Chavez offers cheap oil to US poor
http://politico.ie/component/content/article/925.html

Iran's first aid cargo arrives in Japan
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171501.html

Let` s praise the good Governments of Venezuela and Iran.
They are also concerned with the humanitarian situation abroad
(if you just need to send two packs of olive oil to do some PR)

So, where are the Americans different from the Iranians and the Venezuelan?

 

[Virus]

It's not an Islamic theocracy or a socialist dictatorship for starters.

Is there a point to all this bilge you're posting? Besides "Americans suck and deserved 9/11"?

 

[Pardalis]

I see.
Some volunteers from Texas helping Iran quake victims completely changed my perspective!

Oh I see, now we've moved from the US to Texas.

The US is the world #1 supplier of aid.

http://www.oecd.org/document/11/0,3343,en_21571361_44315115_44981579_1_1_1_1,00.html

In 2009, the largest donors by volume were the United States, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and Japan. Five countries exceeded the United Nations ODA target of 0.7% of GNI: Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden.[...]

In 2009, the United States was the largest donor providing USD 28.7 billion in net ODA flows, representing an increase of 5.4% in real terms over 2008. Its ODA/GNI ratio rose from 0.19% in 2008 to 0.20% in 2009. Total net US ODA flows increased to each region, particularly to sub-Saharan Africa (+10.5% to USD 7.5 billion). ODA also increased significantly to Afghanistan (+39.5% to USD 3.0 billion). US net ODA to the group of Least Developed Countries (LDCs) increased by +13.6% to USD 8.1 billion.

 

[Shrek]

It's not an Islamic theocracy or a socialist dictatorship for starters.

As not being an Islamic theocracy or a socialist (uh?) dictatorship (with President Chavez elected as dictator, I would imagine) automatically means you are not guilty of war crimes. By definition, I assume.

Is there a point to all this bilge you're posting? Besides "Americans suck and deserved 9/11"?

Why not go back and read what I posted?
Just for a start..

 

[Pardalis]

Shrek, do you think the US hasn't sent aid to Japan?

 

[Shrek]

Oh I see, now we've moved from the US to Texas.

The US is the world #1 supplier of aid.

http://www.oecd.org/document/11/0,3343,en_21571361_44315115_44981579_1_1_1_1,00.html

..and the first country for expense in the military.

Back to the point.
You are saying that being the #1 supplier of aid (maybe bribes to dictators are also included in the "aid") justifies the mass murder of civilians in Vietnam by US troops?
Or not?
If not, why not a trial for the murderers?

Shrek, do you think the US hasn't sent aid to Japan?

What has this to do with the napalm on children in Vietnam, please somebody explain me..

 

[Pardalis]

..and the first country for expense in the military.

And?

You are saying that being the #1 supplier of aid (maybe bribes to dictators are also included in the "aid") justifies the mass murder of civilians in Vietnam by US troops?

My god, that's exactly what I was saying!

 

[Shrek]

My god, that's exactly what I was saying!

Great！
You are also saying that American citizens did not care a heck (well.. only a little bit) for the thousands, (tens of thousands ? hundreds of thousands ? )of civilians in Vietnam killed by US troops?
Then we agree.
This is more or less the point I was trying to make since post number, well, I forgot..

 

[IDB87]

You are also saying that American citizens did not care a heck (well.. only a little bit) for the thousands, (tens of thousands ? hundreds of thousands ? )of civilians in Vietnam killed by US troops?

This is 100% false. Because Kissinger is not rotting in jail does not mean that Americans do not care about the crimes committed by our Government. It has been shown to you that there have been mass demonstrations in the past, and one just this past May in NYC where Kissinger was visiting. Why are you ignoring this?

 

[Pardalis]

Great！
You are also saying that American citizens did not care a heck (well.. only a little bit) for the thousands, (tens of thousands ? hundreds of thousands ? )of civilians in Vietnam killed by US troops?
Then we agree.

I see there's no point in talking to you, you seem to have a good conversation with your strawman going.

Good luck with that.

 

[Resume]

Great！
You are also saying that American citizens did not care a heck QUOTE]

Keep up with this lie. It helps your credibilty.

 

[marksman]

You are also saying that American citizens did not care a heck (well.. only a little bit) for the thousands, (tens of thousands ? hundreds of thousands ? )of civilians in Vietnam killed by US troops?
Then we agree.

Shrek, do you think inflammatory statements like this are likely to sway the person to whom you are replying, or uninvolved third party lurkers (like me) that you have a valid point? If not, why do you write this way? Are you only writing only for people who already agree with you?