Talk about a wolf guarding the sheep ...

[BeAChooser]

Just how many voices are in your head, B?

How many are in yours, and I won't alter your screenname like you did mine?

I'd guess most everyone could guess what you meant

Except, apparently, Spindrift.

Here ... just for you and Spindrift:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLYlbBrCXGM

Can't see the forest through the trees
I make my living in American cheese
Bringing everybody to their knees
So have another slice of American cheese
I'm not an I-talian fella, but I like Mozzarella

And then there is the arts ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/cormackphotos/437848724/

http://www.janejenningsart.com/gallery/pages/can'tseetheforestthroughthetrees.htm

http://www.moma.org/collection/brow...8741&page_number=9&template_id=1&sort_order=1

http://www.paintingsilove.com/image/show/140940/the-forest-through-the-trees

And don't forget coffee cups: http://www.google.com/search?client...gc.r_pw.&fp=5fcb087814b94e38&biw=1481&bih=862

Why there are even peer reviewed scientific papers on the subject:

http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publications/conkle/psw_1992_conkle001.pdf



So, all told, I'd have to say the reason we're having this discussion in the first place is because you're missing the forest through the trees

... focusing on minor details rather than the bigger picture.

Thanks for the example.

 

[BeAChooser]

My point was that almost everybody else has moved on with their life and are no longer obsessing about presidential scandals that happened over a decade ago.

I think that's only because most people never heard the full story. They bought the big lie promoted by the mainstream media ... that it was all about sex with an intern. Go ahead. Ask the average person what they know about Chinagate, CampaignFinancegate, Filegate, Rapegate or the death of Brown and Foster. I bet 9 out of 10 know next to nothing. And we are all suffering the consequences of that now.

 

[BeAChooser]

According to BeAChooser, Clinton is to blame for everything. I'm pretty sure he blames Clinton for the 1929 stock market crash , Pearl Harbor and women getting the vote.

Spindrift, I get it. You REALLY don't want to talk about the crimes committed during the Clinton administration. I get it. Really. I do.

 

[Biscuit]

Spindrift, I get it. You REALLY don't want to talk about the crimes committed during the Clinton administration. I get it. Really. I do.

And you really don't want to talk about this threads topic. How every single republican senator voted in lock step with democrats to approve a man you think isn't qualified.

Why did they do that BaC?

 

[Spindrift]

Spindrift, I get it. You REALLY don't want to talk about the crimes committed during the Clinton administration. I get it. Really. I do.

The problem is that you think every crime committed during the Clinton administration is Clinton's fault. And you talk about events that weren't crimes, but are just inane conspiracy theories like Ron Brown being murdered. Funny how you don't hold GWB to the same standard.

 

[BenBurch]

George Bush managed to fall off a Segway, and I'll bet that you can find a post where the person whose name we cannot abbreviate blamed Clinton for it.

 

[Spindrift]

George Bush managed to fall off a Segway, and I'll bet that you can find a post where the person whose name we cannot abbreviate blamed Clinton for it.

Obviously that is Bill Clinton on the right there pushing Bush over.

 

[cwalner]

George Bush managed to fall off a Segway, and I'll bet that you can find a post where the person whose name we cannot abbreviate blamed Clinton for it.

And I bet Clinton actually replaced the flight sickness medicine on Air Force One with Ipicac, which is what caused GWB to throw up on the Emperor of Japan.

Now giving Ms Merkel a backrub. That one I will buy was Clinton's fault. We know he was a horndog. I haven't figured out how he did that to poor GWB, but I will keep an open mind.

 

[A Laughing Baby]

I've literally never heard the phrase "can't see the forest for the trees" changed to "can't see the forest through the trees." I would even put forth that changing it to "through the trees" alters the meaning of the phrase and illustrates a lack of understanding of the original metaphor.

 

[Spindrift]

I've literally never heard the phrase "can't see the forest for the trees" changed to "can't see the forest through the trees." I would even put forth that changing it to "through the trees" alters the meaning of the phrase and illustrates a lack of understanding of the original metaphor.

"can't see the forest through the trees." doesn't make any sense, never mind just altering the meaning.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Talk about a wolf guarding the sheep ...

I'm having trouble parsing this metaphor.

Panetta is the wolf because he pals around with Mao, but the sheep are. . . .the U.S. military? The U.S. taxpayers? Members of Congress?

 

[johnny karate]

I'm having trouble parsing this metaphor.

Panetta is the wolf because he pals around with Mao, but the sheep are. . . .the U.S. military? The U.S. taxpayers? Members of Congress?

I think what BAC meant to say was "Talk about a wolf guarding through some sheep".

 

[Ausmerican]

And you really don't want to talk about this threads topic. How every single republican senator voted in lock step with democrats to approve a man you think isn't qualified.

Why did they do that BaC?

BaC, you must have somehow managed to conveniently overlook this the last three times or so that Biscuit posted it (and the times other posters raised the same point).
Could we get an answer?
A Hail Mary?
A Whole Lotta Love?
Anything?
Just something to drown out those damn crickets please!

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I think what BAC meant to say was "Talk about a wolf guarding through some sheep".

So the wolf is Panetta (because he pals around with Mao), the sheep are the trees, the forest is the military, and . . . .

 

[Gaspode]

Discussion on Ron Brown split to existing thread.

Posted By: Gaspode

 

[Biscuit]

I think the "Wolf" (panetta) can't see through the "trees" (congress) because the "forest" (Mao) has placed blinders on him and that is clearly a bad thing.


ETA: The sheep are just a metaphor within the metaphor and thus unknowable.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I think the "Wolf" (panetta) can't see through the "trees" (congress) because the "forest" (Mao) has placed blinders on him and that is clearly a bad thing.

So the sheep are the soldiers in our various armed forces? The sheep are lost in the meadow, and the Maoist wolf would like to eat them, but he can't because the trees gave his appointment their universal consent, and. . . .


Wait a second, does this make Obama the Good Shepherd?

 

[Distracted1]

I think the "Wolf" (panetta) can't see through the "trees" (congress) because the "forest" (Mao) has placed blinders on him and that is clearly a bad thing.


ETA: The sheep are just a metaphor within the metaphor and thus unknowable.

To me its like a story I read called "the Puppy who lost his way"
In that, the puppy-(Industry), was lost in the woods (trees), and nobody knew where to find it; Especially the little boy-(society).
Except that the puppy was a (Dog),... but the industry, my friends,..... that was a revolution!.

 

[Upchurch]

Clearly, the trees are circumstantial, anecdotal, and other such non-evidence that can't prove anything and the forest is the "truth" B knows is true despite that. See? We can't see his faith-based truth for (or through the) crap evidence he provides. If we could just stop nitpicking his crap evidence and just see the overall picture his crap evidence paints, we'd be much better off.

All that matters is that the evidence, whatever it may be, fits B's theory, not that his theory fits good evidence.

 

[BeAChooser]

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/panet...ampaign=10215c315a-email0614&utm_medium=email

Panettagate: A Real Scandal Involving National Security

June 14, 2011

… snip …

The evidence shows that Panetta had a close and personal relationship with a member of the Communist Party by the name of Hugh DeLacy, whose record included meeting with communist espionage agents. By any objective standard of journalism, this should be big news.

… snip …

Yet, we find no evidence that the Panetta-DeLacy relationship was ever examined by the FBI or the Senate when Panetta was being considered and confirmed for the post of CIA Director. The major media have been even more derelict, content to cover the Panetta hearings for Secretary of Defense in a cursory manner and then turn their attention back to something that is easier and more fun to cover and which is sure to attract interest—Weiner.

… snip …

But suffice it to say that the relationship with DeLacy is something that stands out. In a sense, Panetta did not hide it. Back in 1983 he inserted a tribute into the Congressional Record, recognizing DeLacy and his wife Dorothy, another communist, for their commitment to “social justice” and resisting “the dark forces of McCarthyism.” The latter strongly indicates that Panetta was aware of their involvement in the communist cause and that not only did it not matter to him, it was evidence of their courage and bravery.

… snip …

“The DeLacys were not merely Panetta’s constituents—they were close personal friends. Hugh DeLacy was also a longtime correspondent, with whom Panetta regularly discussed defense and foreign policy issues.”

Loudon knows this because he took the time to examine the Hugh DeLacy papers at the University of Washington. They include a series of “Dear Hugh” and “Dear Leon” exchanges in which then-Rep. Panetta promised DeLacy several apparently sensitive documents. Not only did Panetta insert a tribute into the Congressional Record, he spoke at DeLacy’s memorial service after his death in 1986. One wonders if the FBI was ever made aware of this.

… snip …

Veteran journalist Wes Vernon has seen our evidence, as it has been released over the last several days, and has marveled at the cover-up so far. In a column titled, “Media blackout: CIA director accused of links to Communist spy contact—scandal ignored,” he notes that “…DeLacy was not only a prominent member of the Communist Party USA, but also a personal contact of identified Soviet spies Solomon Adler and Frank Coe and accused spy John Stewart Service, and one has to wonder: What was there about DeLacy’s background and record that attracted the friendship of the man who is now CIA Director and has been nominated to assume an even higher national security post—Secretary of Defense?”