Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial

[wasapi]

Are these the only two scenarios you are considering? Is there not a third scenario which demontrates extensive planning and aforethought of premeditated murder? The duct tape is the most glaring bit of evidence that points to premeditation. Couple that with the internet searches already mentioned and it is not unreasonable to conclude that Casey Anthony put much planning into this evil, dastardly deed. She would at least have had to plan this to the point where she remembered to go to her father's shed and take a roll of duct tape with her on that fateful day in June of 2008, the last day anyone saw Caylee alive.

I agree. It seems that the idea of this child's death being an accident is something that many people want to believe because it's more palpable then to consider Casey Anthony is a monster. And, who other than a monster plans to murder their child, wrap duct-tape around the child's mouth and nose, place a heart-shaped sticker on the mouth area, (as she did to the pet hamster's she buried in the same location when she was growing up).

In addition, there is evidence the jury probably will never hear, such as incriminating diary entries and poems she wrote, as well as pictures she drew, after her child's death. All of them, speaking to premeditation.

Yes, I do not believe this was an accident. As difficult as it is to even attempt to understand the mind of a person who would commit such a crime, she carries it even farther. She tortures her family by leading them to believe the child will return. Alive. She allows them to spend thousands of dollars searching for their granddaughter, as they follow cryptic clues fed to them by their daughter, raising their hopes for months as they tirelessly search for little Caylee.

Then, she still isn't content to stop the emotional torture. Like a predator enjoying the torment they can inflict prior to finally finishing off their prey, she continues. In front of millions, she throws the people who loved her and her daughter the most, to the sharks, like someone who enjoys watching the water as it is turning red. She accuses them of such vile atrocities, in an attempt to look like SHE is really the victim, that when her parents are called to testify, I felt that if I listened for it, I could hear their heart's shattering.

If we are wrong, and it turns out that there is a hell, Casey Anthony may just experience the horrific, unretractable pain that she has put others through, for eternity. If it also turns out that we do have souls, I believe hers is charred and vacant. Inspite of what she has done to her family, her mother walks by and mouths, "I love you". Casey responds with the dark predatory eyes of a shark. I see her as a pure form of evil.

Perhaps it doesn't speak well of me, but I want this woman to go down. I want her to experience a hopeless pain, a constant wrenching fear and anxiety, if not in hell, then every day left of her evil life.

 

[quadraginta]

From the Daily Beast article linked to above:

A computer expert from Canada testified how he drilled down into the family computer and found more than 80 searches on a web site that describes "how to make chloroform" months before Caylee died. John Dennis Bradley told the jury he also found searches for "neck breaking" and "internal injuries."

Bradley testified that there were 84 "visits to", not searches for, this website, sci-spot.com. More specifically to this page on that site, http://web.archive.org/web/20080306153045/http://www.sci-spot.com/Chemistry/chloro2.htm. (This is an archived page. The owner of the site took it down after the furor it caused because of this case.)

Note that these visits are not the same as the searches made. The actual search activities which initially attracted so much attention were made on Mar. 17, and Mar. 21.

The browser record he inspected was a deleted Foxfire history spanning Mar. 6, 2008 to Mar. 24, 2008.

84 times is a lot. I agree. It's almost too many. Take a look at the archive link on making chloroform. It isn't rocket science. It's not even high school science. Now, I'll be the first to admit that Casey probably isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but eighty four times?

I have not abandoned any consideration that Casey planned the whole thing, but there's something about this sequence that leaves me curious.

An expert in human decomposition from the spooky-sounding Body Farm in Oak Ridge, Tennessee testified he was "shocked" at the high levels of chloroform he found in an air sample taken from the defendant's car trunk.

Yes, I know. This first came out in a WESH TV story in early Sept., 2008, referring to "sources". The initial confirmation was in the release of discovery by the Florida SA in Oct., 2008 (.pdf here). The final report by Dr. Vass was issued on Apr. 28, 2009 (.pdf here, note: this one is searchable).

Here were his conclusions in that report.

Conclusions

The correlations between the following techniques:

1) LIBS - showing elevated elements typically associated with human decomposition;
2) VFA analysis - showing early PMI;
3) Chemical Extractions - showing adipocere ratios consistent with human decomposition and the presence of acetic acid;
4) The comparison to what is known about the decomposition of human and animal remains;
5) Indications of early decomposition products and the presence of the five key major compounds associated with human decomposition (primarily the sulfur containing compounds);
6) Montana positive control sample;
​

indicate that a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle trunk is consistent with an early decompositional event that could be of human origin.

Additional components that made up a portion of the total odor signature included gasoline constituents and an unusually large concentration of chloroform - far greater than what is typically seen in human decomposition. [Of particular interest is the presence of chloroform (not a common ingredient in commercial products) and sulfur containing compounds in the Florida trunk carpet sample which are particularly characteristic of decompositional events].

These results still do not rule out the remote possibility that an unusual variety of products or materials (not present in the trunk at the time of vehicle discovery) may have had some contribution to the overall chemical signature.

That's the evidence Dr. Vass testified in support of. "Unusually large concentration of chloroform". His words. And no suggestions about how it got there. That may have equaled "shocked" when he was on the witness stand, but I don't think it excludes any source other than Casey dumping it in there. We're still talking about a few ppm.

I do not discount the idea that the chloroform in that trunk was a result of homebrewed poison by Casey, either. But although it seems like a simple explanation I'm not that comfortable with it. Chloroform is a VOC with a high vapor pressure. It evaporates really fast. Even if she did do Caylee in with chloroform, why would it still be in the trunk over a month later?

The prosecution entomologists claim that Caylee must have been dead for a while before she was ever put in the trunk (Blowflies vs. Coffin flies.) Did Casey dose the corpse one more time when she stuffed it in there, just to make sure?

Kidding aside, the main problem I've got with the chloroform theory is that there are so many easier ways to do in a kid that age. I just don't see Anthony working hard enough to do it with homemade chemicals.

 

[quadraginta]

Are these the only two scenarios you are considering? Is there not a third scenario which demontrates extensive planning and aforethought of premeditated murder? The duct tape is the most glaring bit of evidence that points to premeditation. Couple that with the internet searches already mentioned and it is not unreasonable to conclude that Casey Anthony put much planning into this evil, dastardly deed.

No. They're the two I think are most likely. So far, at any rate. I'm open to change. I do not exclude long-term premeditation. It just isn't at the top of my list.

She would at least have had to plan this to the point where she remembered to go to her father's shed and take a roll of duct tape with her on that fateful day in June of 2008, the last day anyone saw Caylee alive.

We don't know that Casey ever took the duct tape anywhere. She could have used it right there in the house. We also don't know if it was in one of the sheds, or in the garage, or somewhere else in the house.

If she did, then she put it back where she found it. It was definitely there when George needed some to put up missing posters for Caylee a couple of months later.

 

[fuelair]

Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial ?






I am prestty sure that if you live within reach of any US broadcast or cable system you must, by default, be following the trial.

And, speaking of Nancy Grace, I think Bill Maher got it right (tonight) - many people likely do watch her show so they can be certain she is busy and not hiding in the back of their car waiting to strangle them with a length of wire.

 

[wasapi]

Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial ?








I am prestty sure that if you live within reach of any US broadcast or cable system you must, by default, be following the trial.

And, speaking of Nancy Grace, I think Bill Maher got it right (tonight) - many people likely do watch her show so they can be certain she is busy and not hiding in the back of their car waiting to strangle them with a length of wire.

Such a great qoute!!!

 

[wasapi]

Bradley testified that there were 84 "visits to", not searches for, this website, sci-spot.com. More specifically to this page on that site, http://web.archive.org/web/20080306153045/http://www.sci-spot.com/Chemistry/chloro2.htm. (This is an archived page. The owner of the site took it down after the furor it caused because of this case.)

Note that these visits are not the same as the searches made. The actual search activities which initially attracted so much attention were made on Mar. 17, and Mar. 21.

The browser record he inspected was a deleted Foxfire history spanning Mar. 6, 2008 to Mar. 24, 2008.

84 times is a lot. I agree. It's almost too many. Take a look at the archive link on making chloroform. It isn't rocket science. It's not even high school science. Now, I'll be the first to admit that Casey probably isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but eighty four times?

I have not abandoned any consideration that Casey planned the whole thing, but there's something about this sequence that leaves me curious.

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I'm really close to being computer illitarate. Do you have any theory on why it would show up as 84 searches?

 

[lane99]

...And, speaking of Nancy Grace, I think Bill Maher got it right (tonight) - many people likely do watch her show so they can be certain she is busy and not hiding in the back of their car waiting to strangle them with a length of wire.

Same reason I'm glad to see certain posters dedicating so much time to internet message boards.

 

[quadraginta]

I'm really close to being computer illitarate. Do you have any theory on why it would show up as 84 searches?

None at all.

I wish I did. It doesn't even make enough sense to scrounge up a theory.

The distinction between "searches" and "visits" is an important one, though.

The computer was apparently linked to that particular page 84 times over just a couple of weeks. Maybe only a handful of days. Maybe all at one sitting

It's like the difference between Googling the word "cookie" and linking to a page with a tollhouse recipe that you have bookmarked.

 

[Jungle Jim]

None at all.

I wish I did. It doesn't even make enough sense to scrounge up a theory.

The distinction between "searches" and "visits" is an important one, though.

The computer was apparently linked to that particular page 84 times over just a couple of weeks. Maybe only a handful of days. Maybe all at one sitting

It's like the difference between Googling the word "cookie" and linking to a page with a tollhouse recipe that you have bookmarked.

As with a food recipe (particularly in your unfamiliar with it), you may refer to it numerous times: to make sure you have all the ingredients; the correct amounts; and the proper steps in its preperation, etc.

 

[quadraginta]

As with a food recipe (particularly in your unfamiliar with it), you may refer to it numerous times: to make sure you have all the ingredients; the correct amounts; and the proper steps in its preperation, etc.

True. I understand this.

Did you look at the link I provided? Making tollhouse cookies is much more complicated.

That's why I cited the link. 84 times is way more than anyone would need to review it under any circumstances. If it was only to review the process and they needed that many views to get it right then they weren't going to pull it off no matter how many times they re-read it.

 

[Jungle Jim]

The materials and the equipment are straightforward; however, the process is a little more involved. In any case, visiting the site 84 times seems excessive. Did she ever offer an explanation as to her apparent interest in learning about chloroform?

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Have they come up with a good hateful moniker for Casey yet? Like Amanda Knox was "Foxy Knoxy."

I wonder why the conspiritards haven't swarmed all over this case like they have the Knox one?

 

[quadraginta]

The materials and the equipment are straightforward; however, the process is a little more involved. In any case, visiting the site 84 times seems excessive. Did she ever offer an explanation as to her apparent interest in learning about chloroform?

Since "The nanny did it." story (or stories, there was more than one version) in July/August of '08 she hasn't explained anything at all. Period.

Until a few weeks ago, by proxy, when her attorney claimed in court that it was really a tragic pool accident, and her father helped her cover it up.

 

[Matthew Best]

I wonder why the conspiritards haven't swarmed all over this case like they have the Knox one?

What do you mean? Quadraginta is all over this thread.

And you're here....

 

[quadraginta]

What do you mean? Quadraginta is all over this thread.

<snip>

Matthew.

Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?

Maybe you could explain your comment.

 

[AdMan]

Judge scolds both defense and prosecution lawyers (though it seems to have been aimed more at the defense) for "gamesmanship" and warns of a possible mistrial:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anth...-lawyers-legal-gamesmanship/story?id=13884355

 

[wasapi]

What do you mean? Quadraginta is all over this thread.

And you're here....

Huh? I have really appreciated Quadragnita's posts in this thread. They have been helpful to me in looking at the case in a different perspective, and in making me question elements of the trial that I doubt I would have otherwise. So Quad, please continue.

 

[wasapi]

I wonder why the conspiritards haven't swarmed all over this case like they have the Knox one?

Yes, they don't seem to have grabbed hold of it on this forum the way they have the Knox threads.

But they have on other forums where this trial is one of the topics. There are some diehards insisting that George Anthony is the guilty one, and that she is sitting in jail, facing the death penalty, to protect him. To those people, all that I can say is that I have something expensive to sell to them. As if Casey Anthony ever did one thing in her life that wasn't self-serving.

Then there are the Brilliant People posting. She can't be guilty because she's too much of a hottie, and when she's aquitted they will marry/support/shag/protect her forever.

Where do these people come from?! How do they get through life?!

 

[sgtbaker]

The materials and the equipment are straightforward; however, the process is a little more involved. In any case, visiting the site 84 times seems excessive. Did she ever offer an explanation as to her apparent interest in learning about chloroform?

I hope I have this right and if I don't, I am sure quadraginta will correct me; I believe her attorney stated that Casey's boyfriend put a picture on Myspace captioned: Win her over with chlorophorm. Casey was curious what the caption meant. That was so last week, though.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

OK, I started watching because the news is so repetitive one can only watch so much of the Repug candidates for 2012.

I don't think this blathering autopsy doc is going to outshine Dr G. I would bet it's bothersome to the jury that he's trying to make it sound like Dr G did such a terrible job. If he was smart (and clearly he isn't, he's just there for the money), he would suggest errors, not claim the autopsy was totally bungled. Dr G has a ton of experience with murder victims. Not opening the skull is hardly as convincing as a glove that didn't fit.