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Cancer Science??

Kumar is worried about that as well. He is concerend that homoeopathy could get "hijecked" by medicine. He has even used it as an explanation for homoeopaths not demonstrating that homoeopathy works:





Kumar would probably say something about "vested interests" here.

That's interesting.
Why should it be viewed as "hijacking"?
If the goal is to improve the public health, wouldn't you want more people to adopt the better practices?

If anything, this exposes a major weakness in the homeopathic approach. There's no alternative if the core principle is false. you don't hear of improved break throughs in homeopathic science like you do in traditional medicine.

In traditional medicine (western medicine), if an approach is found to be false, we switch to better practices. This approach ALWAYS tends towards better therapies.
 
There doesn't seem to be a cohesive concept that you are presenting
1.) Why do you want to reduce cell adhesions?
2.) Why do you want to reverse vaso-relaxation? (Can you explain what you mean here)?
3.) using sodium to potentiate cells isn't the easy way to approach this.

Some theory is relevant to these.

Although, It appears that reducing cell adhesion my increase of cells to spread. Probably vaso relaxation increase chance of more blood/nutrient flow whereas vasoconstriction may reduce it. Moving Na intracellular should be relevant to cell swelling decreasing hardiness of cells. But I can't tell, how these are relevant to treatment on cancer, but if hold some good, it may need to be researched.





It is relevant because you claimed " It is well known to all, nothing new & no one is taking chance". Medical science is more knowledgeably than you realize.

Yes.
 
It's what I don't understand at all. everything Kumar is suggesting is things that medical science has considered already or is already considering. I am still allowing for the possibility that he is thinking of something that is novel, but so far all I see is a series of disjointed ideas mixed in with false impressions of medical science.

The biggest red flag I've seen is his brush off of "Well that's for later research" comment when asked about how to ensure specificity. That isn't for later research. that's for current research. It is where medical science is.

Ok if my feelings in this topic is well studies by modern science, can you provide few links to this effect?
 
Ok if my feelings in this topic is well studies by modern science, can you provide few links to this effect?
What I said is that Specificity in cancer therapy IS the modern goal of research. Here's evidence of that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=targeted cancer therapy

You now need to show that your "feelings" which you haven't described well meets this level of specificity.
If you can't, you need to go back and develop the concept more until you can.
 
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What I said is that Specificity in cancer therapy IS the modern goal of research. Here's evidence of that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=targeted cancer therapy

Those links are not relevent to my feelings in this topic.

You now need to show that your "feelings" which you haven't described well meets this level of specificity.
If you can't, you need to go back and develop the concept more until you can.

My feelings are relevant to following link, which I provided earlier:-

http://ezinearticles.com/?Oxygen,-Sodium,-and-Cancer&id=2867740

All or most modern understandings can be secondary understandings. Prime understanding can be at first place, why/how normal cells get cancer mutaions? Whether odd exposures changes some physiology which encourage such mutations? That link somewhat suggest that, odd exposures cause reduced Oxigen>> fermentations/partly metabolised sugar>>>acid>>acidic conditions>>transcellular movement of K due to acidic conditions & intracellular shift of Na>>cell swelling making cell to become delicate & become more prone to get mutations>>get mutations to become hardy for survival>>cancer. Probably reversing such hardiness or making cells delicate, may lead cells to burst or go to DNA repair or appoptosis.
 
If true, that is deeply depressing.

The difference between standard Medicine and CAM (Complementary and alternative medicine) is that standard medicine is proven effective.
If a CAM is found to be effective, it becomes part of standard medicine and is therefore Medicine.

The only reason something would remain a CAM is if it doesn't work.

We may have to come to the final understanding, to declare a thing odd or even for sure. Till then, all things can hold chances to be valid esp. when it exists in mass people without much adverses. Probably, to keep a man with gun may be better for anyone but most may not like to walk with him or will keep extra care, since he can be risky anytime. All things are not based of strict evidances, like jusdtfication of "parent-children relationship" without DNA test certificate. Main thing is the consideration of adverse/toxic effects. If anything can give adverse/toxic effects, although its effects along with/or its adverse effects, can be quite visible, but still it need to be studied more carefully, deeply & accurately in comparisan to others with least adverse effects.

I have noted that many posters on any forum are really teacher-type contributing people. They do contribute in real sense, but can sometime be bold on other's real odds. Their boldness is liked by a true teacher. Likewise teacher can also tolerate good students. I have noted here & there that, many poster just do TTTT, nit picking, back biting, blaming & claiming or simply waste time of each other, as if that, they are opnly interested in increasing their posts. Previously, I was attending all but got extremely stressed. So I started keeping those posters in ignore list, which had helped me a lot. So pls continue teaching without listening those entities who are out of class rooms. I always base as per my signature. I think I am quite reasonable & logical in these words. Regards.
 
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We may have to come to the final understanding, to declare a thing odd or even for sure. Till then, all things can hold chances to be valid esp. when it exists in mass people without much adverses. Probably, to keep a man with gun may be better for anyone but most may not like to walk with him or will keep extra care, since he can be risky anytime. All things are not based of strict evidances, like jusdtfication of "parent-children relationship" without DNA test certificate. Main thing is the consideration of adverse/toxic effects. If anything can give adverse/toxic effects, although its effects along with/or its adverse effects, can be quite visible, but still it need to be studied more carefully, deeply & accurately in comparisan to others with least adverse effects.

We have already defined odd and even and even have a way to determine if a number is odd or even.

You still haven't defined the term "exists in mass".

Perhaps you don't realize that, generally speaking, policemen/law enforcement, hunters, guards, soldiers, all carry firearms? Define risky. Why are you bringing people with guns into a cancer discussion?

For most children, their biological mother and their biological father are their parents. However, all bets are off if the mother is on the Maury Povich Show. If a child gets adopted early, he/she might never know its biological parents. Why are you bringing parents and children into a cancer discussion?

If I discover a cancer drug that has a 2% chance of keeping a cancerous cell at the same size and 98% chance of that same cell reproducing twice as fast, I should spend time researching that drug "... more carefully, deeply & accurately in comparisan to others with least adverse effects" than a drug that has a 1% and 99%? And why should "all things can hold chances to be valid"? Doesn't it make common sense that injecting ground up DVD-RW dust into my veins doesn't cure my ingrown toenail?

I have noted that many posters on any forum are really teacher-type contributing people. They do contribute in real sense, but can sometime be bold on other's real odds. Their boldness is liked by a true teacher. Likewise teacher can also tolerate good students. I have noted here & there that, many poster just do TTTT, nit picking, back biting, blaming & claiming or simply waste time of each other, as if that, they are opnly interested in increasing their posts. Previously, I was attending all but got extremely stressed. So I started keeping those posters in ignore list, which had helped me a lot. So pls continue teaching without listening those entities who are out of class rooms. I always base as per my signature. I think I am quite reasonable & logical in these words. Regards.

I too notice that there is a large amount of professional teachers/scientists here. Then again, some of the boards I go to are hobby boards or boards where education in technical scientfic/medical fields is not important. I'm one of those that likes to learn, so when someone who is profecient in a field that I'm interested in brings information, I try to listen and learn.

However, I also note that there are "original thinkers" here who have "new" and "interesting" "ideas". When presented with information/evidence that their "original thinking" is wrong, most of the "thinkers" do some combination of the following: ignore the information/evidence, ramble into different areas, try to change the subject, continue to push their "ideas", not read basic science books, rename their "thinking" into something else, not to learn English on a board where English is the primary language, base more incorrect ideas on the "original" "ideas", not understand what their "original idea" is, not provide proof to the "original" "idea", not back up the original "claim", and not understand that the teachers here have spent years in school learning advanced subjects and/or spent years in jobs using these same skills.

From what I recall we have medical doctors, engineers (computer and structural), physists, and astronomers. (If I missed someone's higher learning job, I'm sorry.) Just like students, there are people who believe they are smarter than the teachers. The teachers here are happy to pass on information to students who want, there's the keyword want, to learn and increase knowledge. If a person has been shown correction, and the person continues to believe wrongly, who is at fault?

Having a high number of posts counts just as much as it does in real life. I don't go around introducing myself as "Little 10 Toes, over 500 posts on an internet board." There are people here who have higher post counts than I and who have been registered longer than I, but that doesn't mean they are knowledgeable. Use the block lists to ignore people who can't learn. And by that, I mean those who have been shown errors in thinking, but continue to believe those errors. I believe that is a reason that you

And too bad you haven't learned more English. Your signature does not parse.
 
Hello Little10 Toes,

Thanks for long post. Sorry, but how it is relevant to topic subject. Do you want to say people should not try otherwise than routine research in those issues which are not yet fully clear & many times odd outcome is noted inspite of strict studies. If you can't understand, mass people, people at mass, many many people etc. sorry, I can't respond to nit picking all the times. One should learn from joobz & other (even MRC Hans) who are contributing, inspite of some odds on my part. I have decided to respond only to those, who are contributing not to others.
 
You still haven't defined the term "exists in mass".


It means "a lot of people believe in it". It is also expressed as "mass existing since long", which means "a lot of people have believed it for a long time". This is, for example, Kumar's only "evidence" for homoeopathy.

As an illustration, here's Zep's Kumar veracity table:

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"Srimad Bhagavatam 7.5.19 speaks about it.
catustayam—the four diplomatic principles
1. saama, the process of pacifying
2. daana, the process of giving money in charity
3. bheda, the principle of dividing[it can be No.4 and principle of seprating.
4. danda, the principle of punishment

Prabhupada, Founder-Acharya of ISKCON
(International Society for Krishna Consciousness)
It is essential for a student who is going to be a ruler or king to learn the four diplomatic principles. There is always rivalry between a king and his citizens. Therefore, when a citizen agitates the public against the king, the duty of the king is to call him and try to pacify him with sweet words, saying, "You are very important in the state. Why should you disturb the public with some new cause for agitation?" If the citizen is not pacified, the king should then offer him some lucrative post as a governor or minister-any post that draws a high salary—so that he may be agreeable. If the enemy still goes on agitating the public, the king should try to create dissension in the enemy's camp, but if he still continues, the king should employ argumentum ad baculum—severe punishment—by putting him in jail or placing him before a firing squad. The teachers appointed by Hiranyakasipu taught Prahlada Maharaja how to be a diplomat so that he could rule over the citizens very nicely.
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070425104259AA1Fwx3 "

Btw, how these principles can also be applied in any probelen handling?
 
And, according to strict homeopathic principles, the fewer of them there are left, the more likely it is that one of them might actually cure something.

Dave

CURE may mean, nothing odd is left after treatment.
 
??. Amputation can be a compromised healing.


But if the patient has only one of something, something odd is left. You said that "CURE may mean, nothing odd is left after treatment". How could this result be achieved without amputation of anything the patient has only one of?
 
But if the patient has only one of something, something odd is left. You said that "CURE may mean, nothing odd is left after treatment". How could this result be achieved without amputation of anything the patient has only one of?

Then say treatment not cure.
 
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