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tyr_13 said:
How can a 'double standard' be applied both ways?
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It was explicitly spelled out in my previous post.

tyr_13 said:
Again, I don't especially care personally what legal sexual activities a rep is engaged in, left or right. But when countering arguments put forth by someone as to why they should lead, and they say they should lead because of morals they apply to their personal life, it's useful to point out that not only is it irrelevant, but it's also often not true. If someone isn't making that argument it the first place, one can't counter it with those points. It isn't a double standard to argue against what the Republicans tend to do but not the Democrats, because they aren't the ones arguing it. 'Traditional values' isn't a plank in the Democratic platform, so there is no need to argue against it. No double standard. Again, it seems you fail to understand the objection because it isn't about the personal life morals.
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I disagree completely. Our representatives in congress do make decisions and create legislation that impact social aspects of society. The morals they live by reveal a great deal about their character and wheter or not I would trust that persons judgement in representing me in congress. That is why I do not think it is correct to apply their morals to their behavior, the only reasonably thing is to apply mine. I can understand if you have a different threshold than I do - I expect it, but I think you should apply it the same regardless of "D" or "R" after their names. To do otherwise is, in my opinion, a double standard - you are just arguing to justify it.
 
JohnnyG said:
It was explicitly spelled out in my previous post.





I disagree completely. Our representatives in congress do make decisions and create legislation that impact social aspects of society. The morals they live by reveal a great deal about their character and wheter or not I would trust that persons judgement in representing me in congress.
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They had better not be creating legislation that addresses cyber affairs, what we were talking about by the way. That's legislating morality, and if you think about it, I don't think you want that. What if someone with slightly different morals from your own is the new standard writer? I see no correlation between 'traditional values' and effective government.

That is why I do not think it is correct to apply their morals to their behavior, the only reasonably thing is to apply mine. I can understand if you have a different threshold than I do - I expect it, but I think you should apply it the same regardless of "D" or "R" after their names. To do otherwise is, in my opinion, a double standard - you are just arguing to justify it.
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Believe all you want about what I'm arguing and why I'm arguing it. If you believe that the sexual conduct of a person determines their fitness for public office, I disagree, and could care less if you want to try to write off that disagreement as partisan.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Not really, Reps tend to get a free pass from their own party and constituents.
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While it might be a tendency, there are exceptions. When Larry Craig started backpedaling and saying he should run for re-election, I think the party leaders pulled him aside and told him that it wasn't going to happen.

Speaking of stupidity, if you serve 25 years in congress, you have to be pretty stupid (in a balls-y kind of way) to file a motion to withdraw a guilty plea based on the claim that you didn't know what you were doing when you signed a document that included the words "I understand that the court will not accept a plea of guilty from anyone who claims to be innocent... I now make no claim that I am innocent of the charge to which I am entering a plea of guilty."
 
With the resignation (darnit, many Republicans were hoping he'd continue to stick it out), I guess you need to start a Re-Elect Wiener (a standup guy) campaign.
 
tyr_13 said:
If you believe that the sexual conduct of a person determines their fitness for public office, I disagree, and could care less if you want to try to write off that disagreement as partisan.
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His judgemnent is certainly an issue here. What person under public scrutiny thinks it's OK to send pics of his penis to strangers on the internet?
 
AlBell said:
With the resignation (darnit, many Republicans were hoping he'd continue to stick it out), I guess you need to start a Re-Elect Wiener (a standup guy) campaign.
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Weiner is now free to stick it out all he likes, now that he is resigning.
 
arthwollipot said:
I've always heard it pronounced 'bayner', not 'boner'.

I've always heard it pronounced by Jon Stewart...
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Last night NPR aired an audio clip of Weiner making fun of Boehner because of how he pronounces his name (it was from some Dem Rally a few years back).

It was something along the lines of 'I don't pronounce my name 'Wayner''
 
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