Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[platonov]

Paging Sr. Gentile - your services are required in Punxsutawney

Most countries utilize a custom apparently little known in portions of Italy called evidence.

Did you read the Matteini Report I liked about a half-dozen pages back? What there did you find especially compelling as evidence of murder against all three?

Matteini report - the one that included the RS 'retraction'/hedging of the 'admission' that AK was out from 9.00-1.00 - obviously I had some inkling of what it contained before you posted that section

But that was not the evidence, that was the 'rationale' for detention etc back in Nov 2007.

There was a trial since, remember

 

[Dan O.]

.
Incidentally, I came across that quote recently but can't recall where for sure, was it the trial testimony I posted a few pages back? It wouldn't surprise me there was a moment she had a flood of memories after being traumatized like that by the police. I'm sure you find something deeply suspicious about it though...

I believe that is a misquotation of the retranslation of a segment from Fiorenza Sarzanini's book that purportedly included unauthorized transcripts from Amanda's prison diary translated to Italian.

 

[Kaosium]

Matteini report - the one that included the RS 'retraction'/hedging of the 'admission' that AK was out from 9.00-1.00 - obviously I had some inkling of what it contained before you posted that section

But that was not the evidence, that was the 'rationale' for detention etc back in Nov 2007.

There was a trial since, remember

I know, Platonov, I'm trying to walk you through something. We've never been able to get past the fifth of November so let's just keep going. Don't rush all the way to the trial, there's important factors right here you need to take note of.

OK, at the interrogation the cops got Raffaele to say Amanda left from the village center and was away from 9-1, obviously we know that didn't happen, but I'm sure you want to equivocate that into Raffaele definitely saying Amanda left his apartment from 9-1 the night of the murder, like the cops did, right? However before Matteini he recants that, but I'm guessing you might want to play that as him not giving her an alibi, right?

So, if Amanda and Raffaele committed the murder together, why isn't Raffaele bright enough to give himself and Amanda an ironclad alibi?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Ms. Popovic's visits

Thank you Kaosium

So this is the statement that Raffaele made to get the ball rolling:

"On the date 5 November 2007, at 22.40, Sollecito, Raffaele, was again interviewed, modifying his version of the facts, affirming that on the evening of 1 November, after [page 7] Meredith had left the house, he lingered on with Knox, Amanda, up until 18.00 when the pair of them left the apartment to go into the [town] centre, around 20.30 – 21.00 Knox distancing herself saying she was going to go to the Le Chic pub to meet up with friends."

But wasn't Amanda at Raffaele's place to answer when Popovic came to the door? And shouldn't the cops have known about this after 3 prior days of questioning regarding what happened that night? Instead they just picked up the ball and threw it against the wall.

No bounce, no play.

RoseMontague,

At 5:45 PM Ms. Popovic saw both of them at his flat. She saw Amanda again at 8:45. I am not quite sure what his statement means with respect to his whereabouts until 6 (which apartment do they mean), but there is no way that this statement makes any sense with respect to where they were at 8:45. Amanda's 1:45 statement is also plagued by this same problem; she leaves his flat at 8:30 in this version.

 

[Fine]

I believe that is a misquotation of the retranslation of a segment from Fiorenza Sarzanini's book that purportedly included unauthorized transcripts from Amanda's prison diary translated to Italian.

_________________________

Dan,

"Everything came back to me like a flood, one detail after another...."


The quote is from Amanda's Prison Diary, written in English. Here: My Prison Diary

///

 

[RandyN]

I can understand Amandas confusion the night of the 5th. First of all she was trying to understand WTH these shouting dagos were saying to her. ( I can say Dago because I am one.) Now imagine being dropped into the Abbot and Costello movie during the "Who's on First" scene only its in Italian. It goes something like...(translate to Italian from here) ...We know you met someone, it says so right here. Who? Who is on first. It says you will meet later. Who? Whos on first. This message is from Patrick. When did you meet him? I dont know. Third base.

A couple of hours of this and anyone would be half nuts. Honest cops would know they had nothing. Honest cops would have provided a lawyer when she asked...not lie to her and say things will be much worse is she has a lawyer.

The only reason the cops got these two is that they kept talking until the police had a preverted enough story to arrest. That story was ruled illegally gained by the Supreme Court. Personally I think the lawyers failed on this point by not putting forth the fact that these defendants were never permitted to speak to a lawyer until they went before Matenni. A honest court would strike everything prior to receiving legal advice. Until Italy shows why they allow this illegal interrogation to come into court at all then this country is not able to have any fair trials. With this court system its a good thing they dont have the death penalty. Everyone would be dead!

 

[platonov]

Shatner's bassoon just blew the dung pump !

I know, Platonov, I'm trying to walk you through something. We've never been able to get past the fifth of November so let's just keep going. Don't rush all the way to the trial, there's important factors right here you need to take note of.

OK, at the interrogation the cops got Raffaele to say Amanda left from the village center and was away from 9-1, obviously we know that didn't happen, but I'm sure you want to equivocate that into Raffaele definitely saying Amanda left his apartment from 9-1 the night of the murder, like the cops did, right? However before Matteini he recants that, but I'm guessing you might want to play that as him not giving her an alibi, right?

So, if Amanda and Raffaele committed the murder together, why isn't Raffaele bright enough to give himself and Amanda an ironclad alibi?

We've ?

Have you ever read O Sacks, remember the story (my english isn't great but this is the gist of it) about the navy guy stuck on a certain date in 43' or 45' - early Nov IIRC ?

Who knows why people aren't bright enough - it happens !

 

[Fine]

RoseMontague,

At 5:45 PM Ms. Popovic saw both of them at his flat. She saw Amanda again at 8:45. I am not quite sure what his statement means with respect to his whereabouts until 6 (which apartment do they mean), but there is no way that this statement makes any sense with respect to where they were at 8:45. Amanda's 1:45 statement is also plagued by this same problem; she leaves his flat at 8:30 in this version.

_________________________________

I noticed another problem in Amanda's DECLARATION of 1:45 am, composed by Rita Ficarra and Lorena Zugarini. The cops now had Amanda's cell phone and could read Amanda's text message to Patrick in which she said "See you later."
Okay, so a suspicious cop might interpret Amanda as implying that she and Patrick intended to meet later that night. Fine. But here's the words the cops put into Amanda's DECLARATION: "I replied to his message by telling him we'd meet immediately...." ["Ho risposto al messaggio dicendogli che saremmo visti subito...."] Amanda sent no such message to Patrick. The cops made this part up.

///

 

[Kevinfay]

Not posted for a long while ... think it was about page 100 .... after I was banned from PMF ... for saying that there was no bad feeling between Meredith and Knox before the murder ... later, the motivations report concluded the same.

Anyway, just wanted to say that yesterday, for work, I was introduced to a girl who was in the same class as Meredith at Leeds University. She did the same study programme in Italy as Meredith, but in a different city ... a few years previously, they would have had the option of working for a year in Olivetti near Turin with us.

Providing it doesn't look like upsetting her too much, I'll ask her what Meredith was like, and what the other classmates who went to Perugia with Meredith (and testified) think of the murder.

In Siena last week, I saw a reminder of just how fast assaults can happen. A drunken student from Florence, celebrating passing an exam, got into a fight with some guys from Siena ... it was over in seconds, with him left with a cracked skull, which could have killed him ... and no knives involved.

Incidentally, I had a look on PMF, there is a new poster called Winifred who takes the same view as the jurors and me ... i.e. Knox was present at the cottage, but the two boys commited the assault and murder ... Winifred won't last long on PMF?

 

[Kaosium]

We've ?

Have you ever read O Sacks, remember the story (my english isn't great but this is the gist of it) about the navy guy stuck on a certain date in 43' or 45' - early Nov IIRC ?

Who knows why people aren't bright enough - it happens !

I've not read anything by Oliver Sacks, if that's what you're referring to, although it looks like I ought to, it appears he writes stuff interesting to me.

I'm trying to make a point here, one to save your immortal rationality before it's too late. You, Platonov, can be saved! I am convinced you are worthy of the effort! You don't have to be sitting there someday thinking, 'What?! the 'FOAKers' were right?! A child could have seen this!!!'



Now, as Halides just demonstrated even better than I did, what the cops have from Raffaele doesn't actually match anything that could have happened on the 1st. Amanda's statements and note don't match anything that could have occurred the night of the murder either. They're really not all that close, either, only wishing makes them so. However, this is the foundation for the house of cards.

Now, you seem to think Raffaele recanting his statement of the 5th and then not being sure Amanda didn't go out that night means something. I'm asking you why Raffaele, if he actually participated in a murder, wouldn't give himself an alibi? Do you have an answer for that?

Also, what legitmate evidence do the cops have against any of the three at this point? Raffaele's shoes don't actually match, Amanda's statements are worthless, and she's recanted as well. We all know everything they have against Patrick is imaginary. However Mignini at this point has all three of them in the murder room killing Meredith on the basis of this garbage? An all-night interrogation that produced little more than what you might get from a stoned guy and a severely freaked out chick?

Doesn't that make you wonder what he's basing his 'theory' on? He'll change the motive behind it, but the basic composition of three people in that room murdering Meredith starts right here with absolutely nothing but imagination! Platonov, do you believe Mignini was psychic or something?

 

[Kaosium]

Not posted for a long while ... think it was about page 100 .... after I was banned from PMF ... for saying that there was no bad feeling between Meredith and Knox before the murder ... later, the motivations report concluded the same.

Anyway, just wanted to say that yesterday, for work, I was introduced to a girl who was in the same class as Meredith at Leeds University. She did the same study programme in Italy as Meredith, but in a different city ... a few years previously, they would have had the option of working for a year in Olivetti near Turin with us.

Providing it doesn't look like upsetting her too much, I'll ask her what Meredith was like, and what the other classmates who went to Perugia with Meredith (and testified) think of the murder.

In Siena last week, I saw an reminder of just how fast assaults can happen. A drunken student from Florence, celebrating passing an exam, got into a fight with some guys from Siena ... it was over in seconds, with him left with a cracked skull, which could have killed him ... and no knives involved.

Incidentally, I had a look on PMF, there is a new poster called Winifred who takes the same view as the jurors and me ... i.e. Knox was present at the cottage, but the two boys commited the assault and murder ... Winifred won't last long on PMF?

Hi Kevin! Don't upset your friend, but that would be interesting.

What do you believe is evidence Raffaele and Amanda were involved in the murder?

 

[Dan O.]

_________________________

Dan,

"Everything came back to me like a flood, one detail after another...."


The quote is from Amanda's Prison Diary, written in English. Here: My Prison Diary

///

Yes, that is quite amazing that after the text went through all those gyrations with the translation to Italian and back again, you just happen to butcher it in exactly the right way to come up with the identical text as the original. I can only attribute that to your having studied Amanda's writings for all these years, you are now thinking like her.

 

[Kevinfay]

Hi Kaosium,

I followed this case in great detail, for a couple of years, before being declared a heretic on PMF and by Peter on TJMK. I see that you joined in Oct last year, but really the discussions now are simply repeating exactly the same things we went through in very great detail.

Back there on page 100 circa (before the continuation), and back on PMF, I summerized my reasons for concluding that Knox blurted out the truth when she was told RS was not backing her alibi. All she did was subsitute Patrick for Guede ... why? fear (Guede was still on the loose) plus the chance misunderstanding about the sms's between her and Patrick, suggested to her a 'straw to cling to' in her moment of panic.

What sparked the assault? ... a toxic mix of characters, we saw similar things many times in Italy ... RS and AK were screwing, or getting 'warmed up' Guede wants 'his share' from Meredith .. to him all foreign girls want to ****?, he knew she had slept with his mate from downstairs.

RS (lost his virginity days earlier), in a state of sexual excitement, hears the attempted rape, goes into Meredith's bedroom, with his knife in his pocket.

I'd believe that Knox WAS in the kitchen with her fingers in her ears, as she blurted out in the police station.

The lady jurors read it the same way, after the verdict, in tears, they said 'she was there, so she is guilty'.

I'll see what I can find out, at the appropriate time and place ... yesterday, it was just 'there but for the grace of god'.

Edited by LashL: 

Edited to properly mask profanity. Please see Rule 10 and explanatory notes here.

 

[Kevinfay]

________________________

PhantomWolf,


Amanda, while a witness, never accused Rudy but she did mention Rudy to the cops while she was being interrogated. Apparently she didn't recall his name---and thought he was from South Africa---but she provided an accurate description of Rudy and remembered that he'd attended a party at the cottage downstairs flat. Amanda gave this information to Rita Ficarra. Rita recounted this segment of Amanda's interrogation during her testimony before the court. If Amanda had been trying to protect Rudy, would she have mentioned this to Rita? See: HERE

///

The point surely is that Knox did try to change her story again, but her lawyer said he would walk off the case if she said another word?. By then, her family were getting involved? In the words of Bruce Springsteen, she 'took a wrong turn, and just kept going'? ... the 'Friends of Amanda' nonsense made it ever more difficult for her to do a U turn?

 

[Kaosium]

Hi Kaosium,

I followed this case in great detail, for a couple of years, before being declared a heretic on PMF and by Peter on TJMK. I see that you joined in Oct last year, but really the discussions now are simply repeating exactly the same things we went through in very great detail.

Back there on page 100 circa (before the continuation), and back on PMF, I summerized my reasons for concluding that Knox blurted out the truth when she was told RS was not backing her alibi. All she did was subsitute Patrick for Guede ... why? fear (Guede was still on the loose) plus the chance misunderstanding about the sms's between her and Patrick, suggested to her a 'straw to cling to' in her moment of panic.

What sparked the assault? ... a toxic mix of characters, we saw similar things many times in Italy ... RS and AK were screwing, or getting 'warmed up' Guede wants 'his share' from Meredith .. to him all foreign girls want to ****?, he knew she had slept with his mate from downstairs.

RS (lost his virginity days earlier), in a state of sexual excitement, hears the attempted rape, goes into Meredith's bedroom, with his knife in his pocket.

I'd believe that Knox WAS in the kitchen with her fingers in her ears, as she blurted out in the police station.

The lady jurors read it the same way, after the verdict, in tears, they said 'she was there, so she is guilty'.

I'll see what I can find out, at the appropriate time and place ... yesterday, it was just 'there but for the grace of god'.

A lot has happened since then!

I read those arguments at PMF too, unfortunately they went down the wrong path mainly due to untrue information produced by the prosecution and confirmation bias. The Massei Report translation came out and it completely undermined the entire case, all the 'evidence' was either irrelevant, disingenuous or outright suspicious, and has since been thoroughly debunked. The real time of death is very likely close to 9:00, almost certainly by 10:00 as the science of biology is no different in Umbria than anywhere else, there are no 'bloody footprints,' just luminol flashes that tested negative for TMB the prosecution withheld the results of, the footprint on the bathmat is more akin to Rudy Guede but it wasn't compared to his by the 'expert', there's no mixed blood, it's just Meredith's blood Rudy washed off in Amanda's sink.

The DNA 'evidence' is about to be thrown out, it took Stefanoni until a couple weeks ago to finally cough up the EDF's asked for in the trial. The 'staged break-in' argument wasn't backed by evidence, and the attempt to do so was rather hilarious, especially the breaking of the window. PMF split and only a fraction of the almost 240 posters who celebrated the conviction remain, and they've retreated on all fronts as they cannot back their arguments. The cops lied about the interrogation in court, eleven members of the Italian government are asking the Ministry of Justice to inquire into what happened in the back of that police station in Perugia.

Five of the 'heroes' of the interrogation hauled Frank Sfarzo out of his home and arrested him on trumped up charges, which the Committee to Protect Journalists has protested, along with Mignini getting a friendly judge to issue a court order to get his blog closed down, and the seven other journalists he's filed charges on or started investigations on--desperate measures indeed! He had an ugly meltdown on CNN which will probably be the last of his attempts, the press has turned almost completely, there's virtually no media outlet treating the conviction except with suspicion, not even the Daily Mail has printed a 'Foxy Knoxy' piece in who knows how long, and the Sun is printing pieces pretty much contemptuous of the conviction.

This is a trial de novo thus the last verdict is of no consequence at all, and the new judge, Hellmann, has not been friendly to Mignini so far. Thus they have to take that crippled case into court with virtually no evidence, without media backing, and oh, Curatolo was laughed out of court and they've recovered computer data on Raffaele's computer showing human interaction all night long. The defense released that last November, and Professor Krom of Leeds University wrote Raffaele and he explained what it meant in a letter I posted about twenty pages back.

However, I certainly don't expect you to just believe me on all this, we'll actually show you evidence! Where would you like to start?

 

[Kaosium]

The point surely is that Knox did try to change her story again, but her lawyer said he would walk off the case if she said another word?. By then, her family were getting involved? In the words of Bruce Springsteen, she 'took a wrong turn, and just kept going'? ... the 'Friends of Amanda' nonsense made it ever more difficult for her to do a U turn?

Amanda's story was the same the whole time except when she was in the hands of the police for seven hours in that backroom and they got vague and confused gibberish out of her. The cops lied about all the 'changing stories,' just like they lied about everything else in the early days of the 'investigation,' then in court.

Now we keep track of the times the police and prosecution 'changed their story.' It just happened again two weeks ago or so when Mignini admitted to Bob Graham he won't be able to put Amanda in that room but will have to pretend she was cheering on from outside or somesuch.

It turns out the Friends of Amanda were right, for the most part, the cops blew it and then covered it up, though they probably were stupid enough to believe she did it, and some of them might still, who knows?

 

[Kevinfay]

Kaosium.

Well, we've not got long to wait until the appeal is heard?.

If your right, and considering that the defense have the most expensive lawyer in the land on their side, it should be no contest?. Newspapers, Frank, FOA, PMF etc. are all completely irrelevant?

Incidentally, if there was 'computer activity all night' doesn't that mean that both RS and AK were lying about being asleep?

I hope that Corriere Del Umbria release audio of the hearings each evening, as they did in the main trial. Listening to the first couple of days of the trial, I was absolutely certain that Knox was telling the truth about there being no bad feeling between her and Meredith and she cleared up a lot of other nonsense that was being speculated about her.

When Knox was questioned about where she was on the night of the murder, it was a completely different thing. Like the jurors, I dearly wish I could believe AK and RS are innocent, but for me, it would be an insult to the victim and her family to say there is any reasonable doubt.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Hi Kaosium,

I followed this case in great detail, for a couple of years, before being declared a heretic on PMF and by Peter on TJMK. I see that you joined in Oct last year, but really the discussions now are simply repeating exactly the same things we went through in very great detail.

Back there on page 100 circa (before the continuation), and back on PMF, I summerized my reasons for concluding that Knox blurted out the truth when she was told RS was not backing her alibi. All she did was subsitute Patrick for Guede ... why? fear (Guede was still on the loose) plus the chance misunderstanding about the sms's between her and Patrick, suggested to her a 'straw to cling to' in her moment of panic.

What sparked the assault? ... a toxic mix of characters, we saw similar things many times in Italy ... RS and AK were screwing, or getting 'warmed up' Guede wants 'his share' from Meredith .. to him all foreign girls want to ****?, he knew she had slept with his mate from downstairs.

RS (lost his virginity days earlier), in a state of sexual excitement, hears the attempted rape, goes into Meredith's bedroom, with his knife in his pocket.

I'd believe that Knox WAS in the kitchen with her fingers in her ears, as she blurted out in the police station.

The lady jurors read it the same way, after the verdict, in tears, they said 'she was there, so she is guilty'.

I'll see what I can find out, at the appropriate time and place ... yesterday, it was just 'there but for the grace of god'.

You know if I used this sort of plot for a story it'd get laughed at for being totally absurd.

You have two young people who have only been together for six days and who have a warm house where they can be alone, food, entertainment, and mj. Yet for some unknown reason they leave all of this and go and stand outside in the freezing cold for two hours before meeting up with someone who is pretty much a complete stranger to one, and is a complete stranger to the other, and whom they have had no serious previous contact with. They then agree to go back to the cottage where the odds are that they wouldn't be alone, and after arriving the two of them head for the bedroom, leaving the complete stranger alone to do whatever he likes. Then on hearing screams of his gf's friend being raped, Raffaele jumps up and rushes off to aid the rapist, whom he's only known for a few minutes.

Now with Meredith dead, Raffaele and Amanda flee, again leaving the total stranger in the cottage, only to come back and remove almost all trace of them being involved, stage a burglery to cover up that they were involved, and stage a rape, even though it apparently was a rape according to the eariler part of narrative, but carefully make sure to leave all the traces of Rudy for the police to find.

Now the police arrive and they immediately show the police to evidence that will scientifically point directly to Rudy, but they are so scared that later when given the prime opportunity to finger him further, and despite knowing that all the forensic science is going to point at him, neither of them actually do it, instead Amanda gives the police his descption, and then fingers someone totally different, someone whom she knew had nothing to do with it and would have an iron clad alibi.

It doesn't make a lick of sense from start to finish and anyone that thinks it does really needs to have a serious look at themselves.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

Kaosium.

Well, we've not got long to wait until the appeal is heard?.

If your right, and considering that the defense have the most expensive lawyer in the land on their side, it should be no contest?.

I think you'll find that the idea that Amanda and Raffaele have had God's own lawyers on their side at every step of the way is totally a figment of guilter imaginations.

They make that stuff up so they can argue "Amanda and Raffaele were found guilty despite the most perfect possible defence, therefore they must be guilty as a matter of fact".

The fact is that Amanda and Raffaele's representatives dropped the ball badly in the first trial, although there was prosecutorial and judicial misconduct aplenty to blame as well. We hope for better from the appeals team, and so far the signs have been hopeful.

Newspapers, Frank, FOA, PMF etc. are all completely irrelevant?

If you have the facts in hand, you can dispense with other people's attempts to digest those facts on your behalf. So yes, they're irrelevant.

Incidentally, if there was 'computer activity all night' doesn't that mean that both RS and AK were lying about being asleep?

I can't see how it matters, since if they weren't there they didn't do it. Maybe you can explain that one to me.

We could go into more detail and I think it would end up being fairly obvious that they didn't lie at all, but it seems like a meaningless exercise if they are innocent either way.

When Knox was questioned about where she was on the night of the murder, it was a completely different thing. Like the jurors, I dearly wish I could believe AK and RS are innocent, but for me, it would be an insult to the victim and her family to say there is any reasonable doubt.

Then you're going to take it badly when I say that the Massei narrative has been debunked. Merely establishing reasonable doubt would of course be sufficient, but we've found watertight evidence that it's outright false.

You can prove from the state of her duodenum (it was empty) that Meredith almost certainly died around 9pm and could not possibly have died at 11:30pm. That's the end of the Massei narrative right there.

A witness puts Amanda at home at 8:26, and the opening of the Naruto file puts both Amanda and Raffaele at home at 9:26, and probably until 9:49 unless you think they put it on then ran out the door. That alone excludes them, but further computer logs apparently show continuous computer activity through until 6am. That means they didn't do it, and they also weren't involved in any imaginary clean-up.

Since the mobile phone logs make it highly likely Rudy had left the building before 10:13pm, they could never have been in the building at the same time as Rudy. That pretty much excludes any possible motive to cover for Rudy.

If you think reality has just insulted the victim and her family, so be it.

The fact is, based on the available evidence it's overwhelmingly likely Amanda and Raffaele are totally innocent. They were at home the whole night, just like they said.

 

[PhantomWolf]

When Knox was questioned about where she was on the night of the murder, it was a completely different thing. Like the jurors, I dearly wish I could believe AK and RS are innocent, but for me, it would be an insult to the victim and her family to say there is any reasonable doubt.

To me what Amanda sounded like on the stand is irrelevant, it's the physical evidence that tells what happened, and that creates the reasonable doubt because what the court and prosecutor claim just doesn't match the physical evidence.

Meredith's friends claim that the pizza meal was started about 6:00pm to 6:30pm. 2 of the 3 experts, including the one that did the police autopsy stated that it takes 2-3 hours for food to pass from the stomach to the duodenum (the other stated 3-4) which is confirmed by independant sources that have nothing to do with the trial (including the medical symptoms of a duodenal ulcer). That puts the ToD between 9pm and 9:30pm, 10pm at a stretch. On the first trial even the prosecution claimed that Amanda and Raffaele were at his place at 9:10pm, and further analysis of his computer shows that they were still there at at least 9:26pm. Considering all of this, and that it would have taken at least 5 mins to get to the cottage, and more like 7-10 mins, plus they'd have to meet up with Rudy agree for him to come with them, and then get to the Cottage, it doesn't leave a lot of time for things to go wrong and a murder to be commited.

To me an early ToD is backed up with the lack of evidence of Meredith doing anything when she got home. She was still in her street clothes, including her jacket, and there was no evidence she'd done anything after getting home, even re-rung her mother after the first call was lost before it connected. Yet Massei tries to convince us that not only did she lie on the bed in her street clothes playing with her phones without remembering she hadn't called her mother or putting on a heater, but that no food had passed on from her stomach some 5 1/2 hours after starting her eating!

These claims are patently absurd and I can't see how anyone could take them seriously. As such, when things like this get into it, it makes the Massei report rather shakey indeed and raises questions about the entire thing. It'd be like the 9/11 Commision Report stating that it came to the conculsion that 19 Al Qaeda hijakers were responsible because one of them had survived the crash of flight 77 and had confessed to it all. In fact, that'd likely be more believable!