Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Do we have any note on when the photos were taken? The best I've been able to extablish is that the bathroom was sprayed on or before the 6th of November:
Domenico Profazio Hyacinth, then leader of the Flying Squad in Perugia, after hearing of 27.2.2009 (Massei page 94)
"I did not enter the small bathroom at via della Pergola at all on November 4, and I only saw it on the 6th when it was totally pink because an appropriate substance had been used to enhance the forensic traces".​


IDK. That's confusing. The photos of the sprayed bathroom I have are dated Dec 18th. The pink bathroom photos were taken Dec 18th, 2007 at 4:07 p.m.

http://www.injusticeinperugiaforum.org/what-the-bathroom-really-looked-like-to-amanda-t905.html
 
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Did Judged Matteini see the pink photo

Draca and Kaosium,

Did Judge Matteini see the pink bathroom photo? Candace Dempsey wrote about the time period surrounding the hearing: "Sarzanini wrote in Corriere, 'Someone certainly tried to clean up the blood." (Murder in Italy, p. 193) Maybe it was in evidence, and reporters knew of its existence. I am not sure.
EDT
So if the photo were taken on the 18th, it is obviously impossible for Matteini to have seen them as part of the hearing.
 
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IDK. That's confusing. The photos of the sprayed bathroom I have are dated Dec 18th. The pink bathroom photos were taken Dec 18th, 2007 at 4:07 p.m.

http://www.injusticeinperugiaforum.org/what-the-bathroom-really-looked-like-to-amanda-t905.html

That photo was taken on the 18th. But if you look closely, you will notice that it is not the same photo. We can't yet say for certain that the press photo was taken on the 18th, only that photos of the pink bathroom were taken on the 18th which may be as close as we'll get unless you have more.
 
Draca and Kaosium,

Did Judge Matteini see the pink bathroom photo? Candace Dempsey wrote about the time period surrounding the hearing: "Sarzanini wrote in Corriere, 'Someone certainly tried to clean up the blood." (Murder in Italy, p. 193) Maybe it was in evidence, and reporters knew of its existence. I am not sure.
EDT
So if the photo was taken on the 18th, it is obviously impossible for Matteini to have seen them as part of the hearing.

OK, now this is a coincidence! I just picked up my copy of "Murder in Italy" and it was lying open face down between 192-193! My guess is that would be because a while back Billy Ryan suggested Matteini was in need of some scrutiny so I looked into it, she being peripheral in my mind before that. If I were a kitten or a bunny I would be having a convulsions right now! Boy would that avatar being looking sinister! :p

You what just occurred to me though, who knows if Matteini ever needed to see a picture? Maybe all the police had to do is say the sink and floors had been sprayed down with blood? There were other things presented to her which didn't stand scrutiny, like all of it, some of which actually had photographs disproving it, I think the bleach receipt was one of them.
 
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So you have to draw the distinction between evidence/testimony and argument. Even if no additional evidence or testimony were to be allowed by an appeal judge, the argument phase of the appeal could proceed very differently from the argument phase in the firs trial (even though it would be based on exactly the same body of evidence/testimony). And of course if the appeal judge does allow significant additional evidence or testimony (as Hellmann has already done in this case, with a possibility that he may allow even more), the argument phase may turn out to be even more different from that in the first trial.

You caused me to think of something I've been wondering about:

Why was the discredited 'Raffaele called the carabinieri after the Postal Police showed up' canard included in the Lifetime movie that Mignini was interviewed for in the accompanying documentary?

There's other explanations as well, old info when the script was being written, bad info from sources who didn't pay much attention to the defense, simply a need to add 'suspicion' to make it something of a mystery.

However I wonder if Mignini is planning on resuscitating this for the appeal? As I recall there's a window of like three minutes, and it could be argued (by a dishonest man) that the adjusted camera timestamp and the phone records are close enough he can try to imply some dishonesty on Raffaele's part. Mind you in context it's absurd, but I don't believe Mignini understands that concept very well.

I went looking for the presentation Charlie Wilkes put together for IIP and couldn't find it, as I recall it was virtually airtight. I wonder if Mignini thinks he found a hole in it somewhere....
 
More..

http://www.ilsitodiperugia.it/conte...rilasciata-dal-procuratore-mignini-bob-graham

Meredith Kercher murder
On sale with "Today" interview given by the prosecutor in the case Mignini Bob Graham
Tue, 07/06/2011 - 19:08 - Staff Writer
Article Image - The site of Italy


An interview with the deputy prosecutor of Perugia, Giuliano Mignini, the British journalist Bob Graham. Mignini interview in which he stated "that the scene of the crime have not been found biological traces of the alleged murderer Amanda Knox," but that "in principle Amanda may have instigated the crime even while in the frame by entering a room," and yet that "no forensic traces found because it has examined all" since "there was no time to do a scientific expertise in all areas".


Same as the other article for the most part it appears, nothing found of Amanda at the scene, but in theory she could have been in the doorway commanding the action. I think here the 'no time' might be referring to the polizia scientifica not having enough time to sweep down the whole area, which might not be referring to Amanda's mother coming at all, but that they didn't have enough time when blundering through like blind elephants at the scene as they needed to move on to destroying another crime scene. Thus if I have this right, he's suggesting something of Amanda's might have been there, but they didn't find it in the time they had to work the scene.


Well this interview was given by Luca Maori, a lawyer representing Raffaele Sollecito, the Attorney General Giancarlo Costagliola together at the same prosecutor represents the prosecution and Manuela comfortable in the appeal of Amanda and Raffaele, accused of murdering Meredith Kercher . In support, reported anxiety, would be the weekly magazine "Oggi", on sale tomorrow with an article in which it was disclosed the first advance.


Again it sounds like Maori gave the interview to the lead prosecutor, and apparently Oggi has something out tomorrow as well. This could prove to be entertaining! There's nothing quite like seeing a slug nailed to the wall. :D


According to the weekly Rcs it would be a "crucial quotation marks a contrast with the substance of the indictment, which alleged that Amanda had had an doubly active role: it would be mind dell''orgia culminated in the crime and the arm Meredith has held firm while Rudy and Raffaele the slaying. " The deputy prosecutor Giuliano Mignini for its part responded to the news claiming that "not having been interviewed." For Mignini it was an "informal talks", adding that "if someone has registered my statements and then extrapolated to assume its responsibilities."


More about the fact Mignini started with his bizarre theory of Amanda holding Meredith down, when above he admits he had no evidence of that. Mignini says it wasn't an interview, just a friendly chat, and someone is exaggerating what he said.


Meanwhile, next June 18 will continue the appeal process to two former sweethearts who have always pleaded not guilty but were convicted at first instance in 25 (Amanda) and 16 years (Raffaele). On that occasion, a witness will be Mario Alessi, the man who in 2006 killed the little Tommy Onofri, and now held in Viterbo, in the same prison where is Rudy Guede.


The next court date is June 18th and Alessi will testify what Guede told him in prison, and shortly thereafter Alt will be here to tell you in excruciating detail just what he's in jail for. With pictures! :p
 
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Does having a sensitive stomach make a person start to digest their food faster or slower than the average person?
I will make an educated guess on this...ever ate fire hot chili? I would expect someone with a "sensitive" stomach to be sensitive to more food stuffs.

But Im pretty sure I never read anything about MK and stomach problems. AK has issues that I have read about.
Hi RandyN,
You posted this a while ago, and I wanted to say thanks for this info.
But still I had wondered if I had read previously that Meredith had a sensitive stomach.

I was just having a read again in Candace Dempsey's book Murder in Italy and I found the passage that I recall reading last year. You are correct, RandyN, it was not Meredith, but Amanda who had the stomach problems:
They crammed their refrigerator with fruit juice, mineral water, cheeses, and yogurt.

Each girl had her own shelf. Meredith stocked mainly fresh vegatables: mushrooms, carrots, onions. Amanda stored mozzeralla chese, tomatoes, mushrooms, lettuce, French cheese, and lots of pesto. She kept to a simple, mainly vegetarian diet, partly through choice and partly because she suffered from stomach problems that often resulted in painfull spasms.*

As my memory had confused Amanda's having stomach problems for Meredith, and I had kept this in mind as folks here on JREF discussed the ToD, I just wanted to bring it up in case others had thought so too...
RW

* - Murder in Italy, author C. Dempsey, page 42 + 43.


PS - While re-reading some of the early pages of Murder in Italy, I found out that Miss Kercher loved reading detective novels. In my humble opinion, it's terribly sad that the brutal ending of her young life has become a real-life who done it with unanswered questions almost 4 years after she was horribly murdered...
 
The Matteini Report Page 9 & part of 7

Kaosium, bored of the same old translated Italian, desirous of the extreme sensations of mental trauma, intense relations with railroad spikes, to alleviate the monotony of everyday posting, attempts again to make sense of the Matteini Report.

Here's where Rose posted the copied pages before, here's the PMF translation, thanks to the bunnies and kittens! :)

You'll find in the original the Italian Court's budget must have been too low to afford commas and periods after that bit I parodied above. I will spring for a few here just to make it (more) readable, the original translator made the same note, so the original must have been entirely bankrupt. I'll also format it a little, as well as make it look a little more like English instead of Italian Legalese.

This is page 9, and a portion of page 7 below. Incidentally, LJ, that Telegraph reporter must have misread this report, if you read the original at the PMF link they mentioned some wounds one the face and jaw, and then goes on about bruises on the neck from being held down by Amanda. I'll leave the controversial words alone, and you can compare to the original translation of pages 7-9 and the first part of 10 which I'll box up at the bottom.

[page 9] From which it follows that the declarations made in the period by Amanda Knox, as a witness, may be used both to confront Raffaele Sollecito, and to confront Diya Lumumba; and in their turn the declarations of Sollecito Raffaele can be used to confront Amanda Knox.

This being clarified, Raffaele, at the review hearing, said he spent the entire night of the 1st and 2nd November with Amanda. They made a return to his house around the time 20.00 – 20.30. He dined with her and became aware of the arrival of messages on her cell phone, thus knew from Amanda she was not required to go to work at the Le Chic pub that night. They went to sleep together to wake the morning after around 10.00, when Amanda was going out to go back to via della Pergola to take a shower.

During the course of the same declarations, he added, on the contrary, that he could not remember whether Knox had left or not. He re-asserted, however, not having left the house, having remained in front of the computer, as well as having received a phone call from his father at the time of 23.00. A telephone call that shortly afterward he specified he could not remember whether he had actuality received, or whether he had referred to having received it to corroborate the circumstances surrounding his permanence in the house.

Raffaele Sollecito furnished yet another version with respect to that given earlier, related to the conduct carried out by Knox on the night of 1st and 2nd November. He attributed the cause of such behavior to the influence exercised on him by Amanda in the wake of the declarations by her rendered in the presence of the Polizia Postale, declarations that, contrariwise, Amanda had never made to the Polizia Postale agents arriving on the spot, due to her difficulty in speaking and understanding Italian, as, on the other side, was likewise specified by the same Sollecito.


Here's the bit from page 7 that includes different wording regarding Raffaele's reason for his story changing:


On the date 5 November 2007, at 10:40 PM Raffaele was again interviewed, modifying his version of the facts, affirming that on the evening of 1 November, after Meredith had left the house, he lingered on with Amanda up until 18.00 when the pair of them left the apartment to go into the town center around 20.30 – 21.00. Knox left saying she was going to go to the Le Chic pub to meet up with friends while he himself went back to his house.

At 23.00 he had received a phone call from his father on the fixed line, he occupied himself on the computer for another two hours rolling a joint. He said that Amanda had come back probably around 1 AM, then both of them woke up at 10.00 when Amanda went out of the house to go back to via della Pergola, contradicting what he had previously declared and justifying such conduct on the premise that it had been Knox to convince him to refer to untrue circumstances.


Matteini Report Pages 7-9 said:
On the date 5 November 2007, at 22.40, Sollecito, Raffaele, was again interviewed, modifying his version of the facts, affirming that on the evening of 1 November, after [page 7] Meredith had left the house, he lingered on with Knox, Amanda, up until 18.00 when the pair of them left the apartment to go into the [town] centre, around 20.30 – 21.00 Knox distancing herself saying she was going to go to the Le Chic pub to meet up with friends while he himself went back to his house, that at 23.00 he had received a phone call from his father on the fixed line, that he occupied himself on the computer for another two hours rolling a joint, that the ragazza had come back probably around 1 [am], that then both of them woke up at 10.00 when Amanda had gone out of the house to go back to via della Pergola, rebutting therefore what he had previously declared and justifying such conduct on the premise that it had been Knox to convince him to refer to untrue circumstances.

On her side, Knox, Amanda, on 6 November 2007, first at 1.45, then at 5.45, declared to the Public Prosecutor that on Thursday 1 November 2007, at 20.30, while she was at the house of Sollecito, Raffaele, she had received a message on her cell phone sent by a Patrick, manager of Le Chic pub, where she herself was working, by which the aforesaid [=Patrick] advised her that that night the local was going to stay shut and that therefore she did not need to go, the same [=Amanda] responding to him that they would meet up later, therefore left the house telling Sollecito that she was going to work while, on the contrary, she took herself to the basketball courts in Piazza Grimana; here she met Patrick, with whom she went back to the via della Pergola apartment, where she could not remember whether Meredith was already there or if the same [=Meredith] had joined them a short while later, adding however that, notwithstanding the confused memories arising from the hashish afternoon, Patrick took Meredith aside, with whom he had taken a fancy to, into her bedroom where they were having sex, that she could not remember whether the latter [=Meredith] had been menaced first but that it had been Patrick to kill her; specifying that in those moments she could not attest to hearing Meredith scream insofar as she was so frightened she blocked her ears, imagining what could have been happening.

She referred, further, to not being sure whether Sollecito, Raffaele, was also present but the morning after she found herself once again asleep in her boyfriend’s house on his bed; she then confirmed the declaration already made [page 8] pertaining to the unfolding of events from 10.00 in the morning, when she woke up, up until the arrival of the Polizia Postale.

It was at this moment that Knox Amanda and Sollecito Raffaele lost their status as “persons informed of the facts” to themselves becoming suspects; it must be noted on this point that it was on the 6 November [that] the seizure occurred of a pair of gymnastic shoes, Nike brand size 42 and a half, and of a black-coloured flick-knife with a blade-length of 8.5cm and width 2cm, the property of Sollecito Raffaele, as seen from the respective transcript in the tendered documents, notwithstanding the result of an initial verification carried out at the crime scene in reference to the shoeprints therein discovered, a verification from which there emerges a clear compatibility between said prints and those relating to the shoes of said Sollecito.

In fact, at the base of the finds made by the Polizia Scientifica, underneath the doona/duvet that was covering Meredith’s body, three shoe prints were found, of which one, as marked in the technical report of 6 November 2007 with the letter “A”, the only one that it was possible to analyse insofar as the others were characterised by an absolute indefiniteness in their characteristics, resulted as compatible in shape and size with the soles of the shoes seized at Sollecito Raffaele’s, insomuch as in those reports one reads, “the shoes seized at Sollecito Raffaele’s could have produced the shoe print (letter A) discovered on the occasion of the [crime scene] inspection”.

It is evident in light of this new situation that the declarations made by Sollecito Raffaele and Knox Amanda cannot be used in the confrontations with the same, in the senses covered by article CPP 63(2), but may be continued to be used in reference insomuch as each of them referred to the other and to third parties, insomuch as it is a matter of declarations otherwise made at a time in which the aforesaid [=Amanda and Raffaele] were solely persons informed of the facts and not persons subject to investigation, for which the altered situation of the declarant cannot void the validity of the documents previously examined, also applying the principle of the preservation of procedural documentation and of the general rule of tempus regit actum (Cass. pen. sen. III, 1 April 2004, n 15476; Cass. pen. sen. VI, 4 June 2003 n 24180).

[page 9] From which it follows that the declarations made in the period by Knox Amanda, as a person informed of the facts, may be used both to confront Sollecito Raffaele and to confront Diya Lumunda [=Lumumba], and in their turn the declarations of Sollecito Raffaele can be used to confront Knox Amanda.

This aspect being clarified, it is [now] possible to take cognizance that Sollecito Raffaele, at the review hearing, affirmed having spent the entire night of the 1st and 2nd November with Knox Amanda having made a return to his house around the time 20.00 – 20.30, of having dined with the ragazza, of having become aware of the arrival of messages on the ragazza’s cell phone, of having known from the same [=Amanda] that that night she was not required to go to work at the Le Chic pub, as had been communicated by means of an SMS sent to her cell phone, and of having therefore gone to sleep together to wake the morning after around 10.00 when Amanda was going out to go back to via della Pergola to take a shower; during the course of the same declarations, he added, on the contrary, that he could not remember whether Knox had left or not but re-asserted, however, not having left the house, having remained in front of the computer, as well as having received a phone call from his father at the time of 23.00, a telephone call that shortly afterwards he specified he could not remember whether he had in actuality received or whether he had referred to having received it, to corroborate the circumstances surrounding his permanence in the house.

Just as it is possible to take cognizance that Sollecito furnished yet another version with respect to that given earlier, as relating to the conduct carried out by Knox on the night of 1st and 2nd November, attributing the cause of such behaviour to the influence exercised on the same [=Raffaele] by the ragazza in the wake of the declarations by her rendered in the immediate [presence] of the Polizia Postale, declarations that, contrariwise, the aforesaid [=Amanda] had never made to the Polizia Postale agents arriving on the spot, due to her difficulty in speaking and understanding Italian, as, on the other side, was likewise specified by the same Sollecito.

Knox Amanda for her part, on the date 6 November, during the course of the preceding declarations, referred to Sollecito having spent the entire night with her, affirming to not remembering whether Sollecito [page 10] was present the night of 1st and 2nd November at the via della Pergola apartment together with Patrick, having consumed hashish in the afternoon and having therefore confused memories owing to not usually making use of such substances, but positively confirming that Sollecito was with her that morning after 10.00 having woken up on his bed.
 
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Thank you Kaosium

So this is the statement that Raffaele made to get the ball rolling:

On the date 5 November 2007, at 22.40, Sollecito, Raffaele, was again interviewed, modifying his version of the facts, affirming that on the evening of 1 November, after [page 7] Meredith had left the house, he lingered on with Knox, Amanda, up until 18.00 when the pair of them left the apartment to go into the [town] centre, around 20.30 – 21.00 Knox distancing herself saying she was going to go to the Le Chic pub to meet up with friends

But wasn't Amanda at Raffaele's place to answer when Popovic came to the door? And shouldn't the cops have known about this after 3 prior days of questioning regarding what happened that night? Instead they just picked up the ball and threw it against the wall.

No bounce, no play.
 
I think it's important to remember the context of Raffaele's interview on the 5th. This is right after a newspaper article was published of a supposed interview with Raffaele that repeated the activity of Amanda and Raffaele from October 31st as if it occurred on November 1st. The police would already have the cell tower data so they believe that Amanda had gone into Old Town that evening and would be pushing Raffaele to confirm their story.

Does anyone not accept the fact that Amanda went back to Raffaele's place where they watched Amelie?
 
Another sign of the apocalypse - hardly.

Originally Posted by LondonJohn
Well, point me to a link where it is stated as fact, and that'll be fine. That's all I'm asking for.

Of course, once you've done that, you'll need to explain why it seemingly never cropped up in the criminal trial of Knox and Sollecito before Judge Massei. Because (as I pointed out before) if it were true and admissible it would be a pretty huge piece of evidence against Knox. So why didn't Mignini apparently introduce it in the trial? That's all I'm asking.


Originally Posted by Fine
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John,

Here's a better summary in English of the Matteini Report: HERE

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Without getting into pointless arguments regarding the admissibility issue i.e. directly using the 'BS' statement of the 5th by RS - I presume we are all familiar with the situation in that regard.

& Given that this issue is moot as RS never took the stand in the trial or even answered Q's after Nov 8th so subsequent references couldn't be put to him

& Completely ignoring Fine's speculation on this issue :)

there remains one point that needs to be clarified.

Are you guys sure about this Silence ?

You may need to refer back to the trial - these lawyers are slightly more artful than that, as indeed defendants try to be.


If the silence that followed this post is any indication it seems that for once platonov will not be contradicted and thus several pages of obfuscation, denial, demands for cites, incomprehension, and finally evasion can be avoided.

Well that is a happy surprise.

There is hope yet.
 
clarifying your statement

If the silence that followed this post is any indication it seems that for once platonov will not be contradicted and thus several pages of obfuscation, denial, demands for cites, incomprehension, and finally evasion can be avoided.

Well that is a happy surprise.

There is hope yet.
platonov,

Would you mind rephrasing the point you are trying to make?
 
Most certainly, there are very many who do not

I think it's important to remember the context of Raffaele's interview on the 5th..........
Does anyone not accept the fact that Amanda went back to Raffaele's place where they watched Amelie?

Uhhhhh

Per chance, each and every one of the only people whose 'acceptance' matters so far..... *All* the jurors apparently did not accept that "fact?"

Additionally,

1) the *l-e-a-d* Attorney defending Knox stated that he in effect had only a 1 in 3 possibility of accepting that 'fact?' ('version').

2) The majority of members of the more factual and more popular with researchers of the case Forums most definitely do not accept that 'fact?'.

3) Albeit not mattering, the majority of posters on this Forum probably would accept that 'fact?'.
However, there are a few remaining minority here still willing to endure arguments replete with unsolicited spelling lessons and accompanying borderline incivility directed at them who absolutely do not accept that 'fact?'.
 
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platonov,

Would you mind rephrasing the point you are trying to make?


Very good halides1 :)

I knew there was a sense of humour struggling to get out from behind all those mendacious arguments.

ETA 'There is hope yet' was also made in jest - lest there be any confusion.
 
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Per chance, each and every one of the only people whose 'acceptance' matters so far..... *All* the jurors apparently did not accept that "fact?"

LOL, surely the brave men of Massei court broke the shackles of conventional logic on this one.

Now she's outside:
Massei said:
Amanda receives the SMS sent to her by Patrick Lumumba, which let her off from having to go to work at the ‚Le Chic‛ pub on the evening of 1 November. At the time of reception the phone connected to the cell on Via dell’Aquila 5-Torre dell’Acquedotto sector 3, whose signal does not reach Raffaele Sollecito’s house. The young woman was therefore far [i.e. absent] from Corso Garibaldi 30 when the SMS reached her

Now she's inside:
Massei said:
Amanda calls Romanelli Filomena on number 347-1073006; the mobile phone connects to the Via dell’Aquila 5-Torre dell’Acquedotto sector 3 cell (which covers Sollecito’s house)
 
1) the *l-e-a-d* Attorney defending Knox stated that he in effect had only a 1 in 3 possibility of accepting that 'fact?' ('version').
No, he didn't.

2) The majority of members of the more factual and more popular with researchers of the case Forums most definitely do not accept that 'fact?'.
You mean both of the bunnies forums or the guy who likes talking dirty to young girls forum? Now those are filled with serious authority and expertise :)
 
Massei the math teacher

1) the *l-e-a-d* Attorney defending Knox stated that he in effect had only a 1 in 3 possibility of accepting that 'fact?' ('version').
pilot padron,

Amanda has only ever given two versions of what happened that night, not three. Mr. Ghirga should be asked to explain what he meant. Even if we accept three versions for the sake of argument, it is incorrect to assign a 1 in 3 chance for each one automatically. Finally, we know that one of the versions has a zero percent chance of being true. Your argument belongs in the Massei report.
 
The rest is silence...

If the silence that followed this post is any indication it seems that for once platonov will not be contradicted and thus several pages of obfuscation, denial, demands for cites, incomprehension, and finally evasion can be avoided.

Well that is a happy surprise.

There is hope yet.

The question is, what did Rafaelle say, when did he say it, and was it true/accurate?

From his prison diary, Nov. 7, 2007:

I write to you the reconstruction of the facts. We leave
from 31 October, day in which I went to the graduation of Francisco
(...) and stayed at Paolo's house (...) and subsequently I met with
Amanda. I passed the day with her having supper and then she went
downtown with her face painted like a cat. I went out subsequently
painting my face making an abstract figure. I took a stroll downtown
and after I met again with Amanda. From there we returned home right
away and we passed the night watching a film.
In the morning we rose around 10:00-11:00 and I wanted to sleep again,
therefore Amanda went to her house saying that she would wait for to
me to lunch. I caught up with her around 14:00 and Meredith was also
there, that poor girl, she said that she had already eaten. So I
prepared the lunch for us both, she so setting herself to play the
guitar meanwhile Meredith was preparing to go out.
The cute thing that I remember is that Meredith wore a pair of jeans
from man that were her ex-boyfriend's in England. She left hastily
near 16:00 not saying where she was going. Meanwhile Amanda and I
remained there until 18:00 approximately and began to smoke cannabis.
From this moment come my problems, because I have confused memories.
For the first thing Amanda and I had gone downtown from Piazza Grimana
to Corso Vannucci passing behind the university for exchange students
and ending up in Piazza Morlacchi (we always take that road), then I
don't remember but presumably we had to go grocery shopping. We
returned to my house around to the 20:00-20:30 and there I made
another pipe and saw that as it was a holiday, to take myself with
extreme tranquility, without the smallest intention to go out inasmuch
as outside it was cold.
I don't remember in reality at what time I ate, but certainly I ate
and Amanda ate with me. The questions the agents of the Squadra Mobile
me have made me to remember that that day the water pipe under to sink
was detached and thing I find very suspicious, I've seen that it is
not possible to so detach alone, at any rate, the fact is that it
flooded half the house.


I remember that I surfed the Internet for a bit, maybe I watched a
film and then that you [Rafaelle's father] had called me at the house or that anyhow you
sent me a goodnight message. I remember that was Thursday, therefore
Amanda had to go to the pub where she usually works, but I don't
remember how much time she was absent and remember that subsequently
she had said to me that the pub was closed (I have strong doubts regarding the fact that she was absent). I am straining myself to
remember other details but they are all confused. Another thing of which I can be sure is that Amanda slept with me that night.....
The investigators have asked me
if she had said to report something but (unfortunately I now say) it's
not like that: all of which I have said I have made of my spontaneous
will.

Today the court questioned me and said that I gave three different
statements, but the only difference that I find is that I said that
Amanda brought me to say crap in the second version, and that was to
go out at the bar where she worked, Le Chic. But I do not remember exactly whether she went out or less to go to the pub and as a
consequence I do not remember how long she was absent. What is all my
difficulty? I do not remember this, for them, important detail,
therefore I don't break and we're investigating her. I tried to help
in the investigation trying to remember and now I've brought myself to
this place, better I did nothing and limit myself to say that I
remained at my house and I would be spared so much unrest.

Prison diary, Nov 12, 2007:

Nov 12 2007
The facts are taking their course and slowly I am realizing that
according to the fact which you, dad, that night sent me a message of
'goodnight' and also for the fact that the first statement made by me
saying that Amanda was all the night with me, I must say that 90% I
said the fat cavolata [cavolo = cabbage... garbage/crap?] in my second
statement. And that is:
1 that Amanda brought me to say something stupid and I have repeated
that over and over again in the court of the squadra mobile;
2 reconstructing I am realizing that Amanda was actually very likely with me all night, never leaving.

So back to the silence, which is actually platonov's silence. We are waiting for him to provide a link to support his assertion that Rafaelle claimed Amanda left his place between 9pm and 1 am on Nov 1-2.

LondonJohn: "I'm just not aware that it has ever been established that Sollecito claimed that Knox left his apartment between 9pm and 1am on the evening/night of November 1st/2nd. And I'm still not aware that this fact has ever been established."

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platonov: "It has been, repeatedly - whether to your satisfaction or not, confusion over other issues notwithstanding."

When, how and by whom has it been repeatedly established, plat?
 
Pilot, what part of the hard evidence are you unable to comprehend?


Computer records show that the movie Amelie was started at 18:27:15 on Raffaele's computer in Raffaele's apartment. This is accepted by Massei (page 325).

This movie would last until at least 20:27 and a few minutes later at 20:35:48 Amanda is responding to Patrick's text message through a cell tower that covers Raffaele's place. You can find this in Massei on page 345.

Jovana Popovic testified that she was at Raffaele's door talking to Amanda around 20:40.


So Pilot just resorts to lying about what the jurors found. Who can argue with that.
 
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