Ed Pentagon - TruthMakesPeace

Has he explained why the plane would suddenly get much colder? Yes, I know that it's cold at 30000' but, you're dropping pressure in the plane not adding cold (thin) air from outside. In fact unless you also cut off the warmed air that's always pumped in, the cabin would remain quite comfortable. The cold shouldn't be much of an issue (unless he goes back to blowing out windows).

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DGM said:
Has he explained why the plane would suddenly get much colder? Yes, I know that it's cold at 30000' but, you're dropping pressure in the plane not adding cold (thin) air from outside. In fact unless you also cut off the warmed air that's always pumped in, the cabin would remain quite comfortable. The cold shouldn't be much of an issue (unless he goes back to blowing out windows).

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There was an airliner in the Pacific that lost most of the upper fuselage.
The passengers and crew surviving the initial incident landed safely.
So the claim of passengers 'freezing' is worth nothing !
 
DGM said:
Has he explained why the plane would suddenly get much colder?
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Maybe THEYtm also put a valve in the air conditioning unit (remotely controlled, naturally) that pumped dry ice into the cabin instead of nice cool air.









you know, sometimes I actually try to be as stupid as these people and their crackpot theories - and it's HARD.
 
WW2 Bomber Crews didn't freeze to death although they did have cozy SHeepskin Jackets.
 
AJM8125 said:
No he hasn't. All I've seen him do so far is add to an ever-expanding list of conspirators.
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He has not addressed you point, that at least one passenger made a call just prior to impact and was therefore not asleep or incapacitated.

He has not addressed how the RC and associated interface with the flight data and flight controls would be installed without being discovered.

He has ignored the fact that the cabin and cockpit will not immediatly freeze since warm air that is going out is not being replaced with cold air coming in.(it will get colder simply because lowereing pressure will cause it - ideal gas law - but its not going to minus 40 because of it)

What he has done is change his theory as only certain problems were brought up. The carziest was to use explosives to blow out windows of course. That someone would even suggest that in the first place indicates a sociopathic drive to have any theory other than the official history.
IMHO of course.
He also changed from having the pressure dropped at 10,000 ft asl and fairly close to the intended targets, to 30,000 ft and when it was pointed out that neither would garuntee unconsciousness of the occupants he now raises it again to 35,000 ft.

Now, if anyone made calls AFTER the plane(s) had descended below 30,000 ft his new modification goes,,, out the window (pun intended). AMJ points out that one passenger on one plane did exactly that.

I believe that the RCoCAPOV&FMSIPCE&DHHBCE theory (AKA: the impossibly complicated acroynm theory) is quite dead.
 
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He also changed from having the pressure dropped at 10,000 ft asl and fairly close to the intended targets, to 30,000 ft and when it was pointed out that neither would garuntee unconsciousness of the occupants he now raises it again to 35,000 ft.
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You know where this is leading, right?

1st 10,000 feet - then 30,000 - 35,000 - by next Wednesday, 45,000 feet....

UNTIL

5 weeks from now SPACE BEAMS!!!
 
Anyone know what the stresses on the airframe would be if one were to suddenly open the outflow valve at 35,000 ft? I mean, according to TMP there's going to be a pretty high velocity airflow out that hole..........
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
Come on Beachnut. You can do better than just uttering a bunch of ad hominems. The same utterances can be made about Trusters and the OCT. How about some substance? You are a pilot and know about Cabin Air Pressure Outflow Valves (CAPOV) and Flight Management Systems (FMS). Let's hear your analysis of why these could not be adapted to be Remote Controlled. It is a simple explanation: CAPOV lets air out, disabling the occupants. FMS flies the plane into buildings. Witnesses see a plane, plane parts are found, and DNA confirms the people on board. FDRs conveniently "lost" of "have no useful data". Let's hear a good technical response.
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Come on TMP/cicorp. You can do better than just uttering a bunch of made up fantasies and outright lies. Try to add something that would be closer to being possible, something with substance.
Let me ask you TMP, what is your experience in aviation? Are you a pilot, maybe an aeronautical engineer, an A&E, a passenger? Do you even know what an airplane looks like?
Firstly, explain to me just how you would install the remote controls to operate the outflow valves in the manner you describe. Do you have any idea where these outflow valves are located? Well, let me give you a hint. They are located at the rear of the aircraft and are directly mounted to the aft pressure bulkhead. There is not enough room to mount your remote control unit, and especially not enough room for your bell and crank mechanism to operate the outflow valves. By the way, all moving parts of the outflow valves are house internally.
No, the outflow valve does not just let air out; it controls the airflow of the aircraft. It is more like a pressure regulator than anything else. As pressure builds beyond a certain point inside the pressurized area of the aircraft, the valves open. As the pressure drops, they close. A very simple operation.
Even if the valves were fully opened, bleed air would still provide warm compressed air to the cabin area, unless of course, you now remotely shut down the engines. And if, by some chance, you did manage to get the cabin altitude to climb to 14,00ft ASL, the emergency oxygen system would activate.
Now, for the FMCS, which you seem to think has a plug and play feature. Your theory of modifying the FMCS is probably one of your more asinine theories. The FMCS is not a very strong computer system at all. In fact, it has a very small storage area that would be stressed to run solitaire. It is more for the purpose of storing a database than anything and only accepts input from one of the pilots. I’ll say this one more time; to modify the Honeywell FMCS used on the B757/767 to fly the aircraft by remote control is impossible, to put it bluntly.
TMP, have you ever been on the flight deck of an airliner?

My apologies Beachnut and others for jumping on this post, but TMP/cicorp won’t answer my posts.
 
I really wish TMP could explain this "cold thing" to me.

Somehow I get the feeling he didn't really think this through.

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The Fact that one of the Planes failed to reach its target will pretty much negate any "Disable the passengers and Remote control the plane" theory.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
Come on Beachnut. You can do better than just uttering a bunch of ad hominems. The same utterances can be made about Trusters and the OCT. How about some substance? You are a pilot and know about Cabin Air Pressure Outflow Valves (CAPOV) and Flight Management Systems (FMS). Let's hear your analysis of why these could not be adapted to be Remote Controlled. It is a simple explanation: CAPOV lets air out, disabling the occupants. FMS flies the plane into buildings. Witnesses see a plane, plane parts are found, and DNA confirms the people on board. FDRs conveniently "lost" of "have no useful data". Let's hear a good technical response.
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You made the initial assertion that it was possible....so lets hear a good technical response as how it could have been done. How many people would it require to design the equipment, details of the design, build it, install it, trigger it? How many others would have to be in on it to get it done with nobody noticing? How many more on the ground who would have to ignore the strange extra parts in the wreckage. How many involved in the putative,"faked" phone calls?

"Why" would would be nice too, since we know that people are suicide bombers what so hard about them also being able to fly a plane into a building?:confused:
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
Come on Beachnut. You can do better than just uttering a bunch of ad hominems. The same utterances can be made about Trusters and the OCT. How about some substance? You are a pilot and know about Cabin Air Pressure Outflow Valves (CAPOV) and Flight Management Systems (FMS). Let's hear your analysis of why these could not be adapted to be Remote Controlled. It is a simple explanation: CAPOV lets air out, disabling the occupants. FMS flies the plane into buildings. Witnesses see a plane, plane parts are found, and DNA confirms the people on board. FDRs conveniently "lost" of "have no useful data". Let's hear a good technical response.
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Your support of 911 truth failed. You have fantasy and request substance when you offer a few lies based on idiotic evidence free fantasies.

Why can't a plane be modified for remote control? Because the pilot and maintance crews would discover it and ground the plane. That was easy, I have experience with planes being modified and crews grounding the plane. I am a pilot, and there is no place on the plane off limits for me. I can refuse to take the jet when I find evidence of change over the stock aircraft I will fly. There are no means to modify the 767/757s used on 911 without being discovered. You offered no means which would be successful. You make up lies.

You can't present a valid way the plane can be modified so you make up nonsense after a google of 10 seconds. You post your nonsense, and move on to the next failed claim.

It is simple, no one was knocked out by lack of air, they were talking on phones. It is simple, from the FDR we see pilot inputs on the controls, the flight controls were moved by terrorists, and corresponding movement of the plane resulted proving the terrorists flew the planes. You failed due to evidence you ignore and are too lazy to look at and analyze. Why do you do such shoddy research and make up moronic lies?

You will have to debunk the FDR first, then you will have to offer hundreds of pages of supporting information on how someone puts in a billion dollar modification to existing 767/757 airframes and not be caught, and look like stock aircraft. You can't do it, you have no clue how to do it in detail.
 
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