Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Matthew Ellard]

So they excavated this grave, but not AR camps?

Technically Lukaszkiewicz did excavate mass graves at Treblinka II. "Excavations were begun on the grounds using the services of 20 workers" However he found the mass graves almost empty but found 20,000 square metres of human ash. I think this qualifies don't you? "I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time" and "the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin"

The hectare is a unit of area defined as 10,000 square metres
20,000 square meter = 215,278 square feet
A US football field is 57,000 square feet.

 

[Saggy]

Technically Lukaszkiewicz did excavate mass graves at Treblinka II.

Technically, Lukaszkiewicz excavated, but, finding no bodies, he did not excavate a mass grave, or a grave, he excavated dirt.

There is not a single mass grave of holohoax victims that has been excavated.

All holohoax mass graves remain, like the mass grave I discovered in my backyard, un-excavated.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Sorry T, there are no mass graves, save those of NKVD victims at Katyn, Vinnitsa, and elsewhere.

How do you know these mass graves were not a hoax as well?

If you apply to same rigorous standard of evidence to ALL of history as you do to the holocaust, then you must admit that we have no idea what happened at any time, anywhere in the world, before 1950.

 

[dafydd]

How do you know these mass graves were not a hoax as well?

If you apply to same rigorous standard of evidence to ALL of history as you do to the holocaust, then you must admit that we have no idea what happened at any time, anywhere in the world, before 1950.

Subsitute "Saggy" for "we" and you'll be on target.

 

[Wroclaw]

So they excavated this grave, but not AR camps?

Who told you they didn't excavate the AR camps?

 

[Wroclaw]

Technically, Lukaszkiewicz excavated, but, finding no bodies, he did not excavate a mass grave, or a grave, he excavated dirt.

And ashes of human remains, which is consistent with the testimony.

There is not a single mass grave of holohoax victims that has been excavated.

I know I'm repeating myself now, but you're aware that saying the same incorrect thing over and over doesn't make it true, right?

All holohoax mass graves remain, like the mass grave I discovered in my backyard, un-excavated.

What about the link I posted? First Google link I found, by the way.

 

[Wroclaw]

How do you know these mass graves were not a hoax as well?

If you apply to same rigorous standard of evidence to ALL of history as you do to the holocaust, then you must admit that we have no idea what happened at any time, anywhere in the world, before 1950.

Which is precisely the point. Saggy accepts the existence of mass graves, as long as the perpetrators are not the Nazis, and the victims are not Jews. Then and only then MUST it be a hoax.

 

[Thunder]

All holohoax mass graves remain, like the mass grave I discovered in my backyard, un-excavated.

you have now been provided with evidence of Holocaust mass-graves that were indeed excavated.

therefore, any suggestion that this has never taken place, is a LIE.

 

[kageki]

Have they investigated these ponds for ashes?
http://www.remember.org/camps/birkenau/bir-pond-01.html
http://www.remember.org/camps/birkenau/bir-krem-iv-02.html

Into this pond were dumped the ashes of many tens of thousands of people, mostly Jews, who were gassed at Krematorium IV, just behind and to the left.

What evidence is this based on?

 

[Wroclaw]

I've got an idea, Kageki: Why don't you people answer the questions put to you, rather than scramble to find a new distraction when you're caught dead to rights?

 

[Thunder]

I'm still waiting for Saggy to admit that he is horribly wrong, about no Holocaust mass-graves being excavated.

tick...tick..tick..

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

I'm still waiting for Saggy to admit that he is horribly wrong, about no Holocaust mass-graves being excavated.

tick...tick..tick..

This complete denial of reality never ceases to amaze me. This guy started a thread about that "topic" not even a year ago and already "forget" his complete failure. And he is not the only whack job, that uses such "mind acrobatics".

How mentally ********** up do you have to be for this...?

 

[Pacal]

Technically Lukaszkiewicz did excavate mass graves at Treblinka II. "Excavations were begun on the grounds using the services of 20 workers" However he found the mass graves almost empty but found 20,000 square metres of human ash. I think this qualifies don't you? "I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time" and "the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin"

The hectare is a unit of area defined as 10,000 square metres
20,000 square meter = 215,278 square feet
A US football field is 57,000 square feet.

I think I'm going to be sick. What you've described / quoted is horrible beyond horrible. The human misery encompased is staggering. No doubt our denier "friends" will find a way to deny / minimize the horror behind those findings.

 

[Thunder]

This complete denial of reality never ceases to amaze me. This guy started a thread about that "topic" not even a year ago and already "forget" his complete failure. And he is not the only whack job, that uses such "mind acrobatics".

yes, it is now an undeniable FACT that he has been presented evidence from numerous sources, to counter his claim that NO mass-graves have been excavated.

I expect silence for a few days on this issue from him.

 

[MG1962]

I think I'm going to be sick. What you've described / quoted is horrible beyond horrible. The human misery encompased is staggering. No doubt our denier "friends" will find a way to deny / minimize the horror behind those findings.

It is why emotions run high over such issues

 

[Matthew Ellard]

There is not a single mass grave of holohoax victims that has been excavated.

Again...here is a photo of Justice Lukaszkiewicz's team standing in a mass grave at the AR camp Treblinka that he has just excavated. Saggy is in pure denial mode this week.

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg

 

[dafydd]

This complete denial of reality never ceases to amaze me. This guy started a thread about that "topic" not even a year ago and already "forget" his complete failure. And he is not the only whack job, that uses such "mind acrobatics".

How mentally ********** up do you have to be for this...?

You have to hate Jews an awful lot.

 

[MaxMurx]

Can somebody tell me what 10.000 sqare meters of ashes means (which I can imagine best by 100m x 100m or 330ft by 330ft). What was the thickness of that layer? For assessing the number of cremated bodies the amount of cubique meters, cubique feet or whatever is necessary. The volume has to be known, not the surface. A human lung's gas exchange surface equals roughly one football field. That doesn't say the lung is huge.

 

[Wroclaw]

Double post

 

[Wroclaw]

The depth was 6 meters. See:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/07/polish-investigations-of-treblinka.html