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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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geni said:
Eh it's pretty eassy to spin. Not only is that number lower than the numbers the syrian state has been racking up of late but there certianly appear to be elements of the US right that would like to see a simular approach on the US mexican boarder.
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Mexico hasn't threatened the US for centuries, or called for its destruction.

Syria is in bed with states and organizations that actively try to undermine its existence.
 
Thunder said:
Israel kills 14 Syrians. Yeah, I'm sure this will make great PR.

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Syria kills hundreds of protestors. Yeah, I'm sure this will make great PR.

:)

What? It's inappropriate to indicate with a smiley I consider Syrian lives expendable so long as the Syrians' death embarrases Assad?

Ah...
 
I don't know why the "victim card" should grow old. The Palestinians have been using it quite successfully for decades.

Anyway, you asked for something "real". Well, today marks the "kasra" day -- the day marking the anniversary of the six-day war. The word was coined by Nasser (it means "setback") after the war to emphasize the failure to destroy Israel, as he had repeatedly promised, is merely a setback, to be corrected soon in another war of annihilation. Similarly "nakba" day -- marking the failure of the 1948 attempt by the Arab army to wipe out the new Jewish state, whose creation is a "catastrophe" ("nakba").

So both these days of rage are openly expressing the belief, still held, alas, by most Palestinians, that Israel's existence is a catastrophe and soon the setback of its existence will be corrected.

This makes the Palestinians the only people whose open national goal is not the establishment of a state as a first goal, but the destruction of another state. Since the days of the "great" ideologies of Nazism (destroy all the Jews) and Communism (destroy all the "imperialists", that is, anybody who disagrees with dear leader), there had not been another ideology so openly destructive, apart of course from its close cousin, Islamism (destroy all infidels).
 
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bikerdruid said:
you seem really opposed to sharing.:(
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Have you compared the land area and population of the arab/muslim controlled mid-east vs. the land area and population of the jewish controlled middle east lately?

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To look at all that the muslims have and insist that it's the jews that need to share is blatantly anti-semitic.
 
Originally Posted by Skeptic
No Jews to blame; who cares?

translation: anything that I disagree with can be disregarded with false and/or unsupported accusations of anti-Semitism.
 
Pardalis said:
As opposed to the thousands the Syrian government has killed so far itself?
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A Muslim killed by a Jew? That's PR gold! Muslim kills Muslim? Meh, that's just what they do.

The soft racism of low expectations, if you will.
 
WildCat said:
A Muslim killed by a Jew? That's PR gold! Muslim kills Muslim? Meh, that's just what they do.

The soft racism of low expectations, if you will.
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inter-religious or ethnic violence is always bigger news, my friend.

Muslim kills Muslim? big woop.

Christian kills Muslim? now that's a big deal.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Is there a nation or territory identified on the map as muslim that is not?
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1. where did you get this image?

2. yes, there are areas shown as being Muslim-controlled, when they are indeed not.

case in point: Nigeria, Darfur, Kenya, & Liberia. Nevermind the majority-Muslim nations that have large Christian minorities, which have been conveniently ignored. This map is pure crap, obviously created by a bigot & a liar named "Kilstryke".
 
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
Which ones?
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Ethiopia is by majority Christian, but Islam is the largest growing religion there at the moment. Islam is the majority of certain ethnic groups within Ethiopia which do reside in specific swathes of land within Ethiopia, but I wouldn't go so far as to support the green portion of the map as being controlled by Muslims. Eritrea is also by majority Christian, but the same concept in Ethiopia applies to Eritrea.

For the rest, overwhelmingly spot on, apart from spots of green in India. Its missing bits of it.
 
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Thunder said:
case in point: Nigeria, Darfur, Kenya, & Liberia.
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All of which are muslim dominated or have large muslim populations. The map does not present these areas alone by themselves, however. They are presented all together as the muslim world.

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This map is pure crap, obviously created by a bigot & a liar.
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You mean "liar" as in "someone who lies about the existence of a jewish genocide clause in the Hamas charter" or do you mean some other kind of liar.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Ethiopia is by majority Christian, but Islam is the largest growing religion there at the moment. Islam is the majority of certain ethnic groups within Ethiopia which do reside in specific swathes of land within Ethiopia, but I wouldn't go so far as to support the green portion of the map as being controlled by Muslims.
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And Darfur is part of Sudan, which is 70% muslim.

bigjelmapro said:
For the rest, overwhelmingly spot on, apart from spots of green in India. Its missing bits of it.
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Minor inaccuracies is a far cry from "made up by a liar and a bigot".
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
All of which are muslim dominated or have large muslim populations. The map does not present these areas alone by themselves, however. They are presented all together as the muslim world.
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none of these areas are dominated by Muslims. and even if they do have large-Muslim minorities, does that justify them being colored in Green as if they are ruled and controlled by Muslims? that's the point of the map, right? to show those areas of the world that are ruled & controlled by Muslims.

this map is a lie...and its author a liar.

Nigeria is 50% Muslim...yet shown as all green.

Kenya is 10% Muslim...yet shown as all green.

Ethiopia is 35% Muslim..yet shown as all green.

Liberia is 15% Muslim..yet shown as all green.

..oh, and btw, this BS map shows the northwest province of China, Xinjiang (West Turkmenistan), as being ruled/controlled by Muslims. wow..that is quite a laughable claim. ;)

he/she seems to suggest that any region or state that has 10% Muslims.....is ruled by Muslims. :)



yep, the dishonesty of this map..and its creator..are clear as day.
 
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