Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Mary_H]

Mary_H,

Horseradish and turnips have abundant amounts of an enzyme known as peroxidase (really a family of enzymes). The cyanate issue is new to me. Do you have a citation?

I must be using the wrong term, because I have searched the three threads and I can't find it. For some reason, the advanced search is not letting me search under my own name for Luminol, but if you were to look for Luminol under my name, you might find the few times I have written about it. The post I'm referring to had a citation from Wikipedia.

ETA: It was cyanides.

"Luminol is used by forensic investigators to detect trace amounts of blood left at crime scenes as it reacts with iron found in hemoglobin. It is used by biologists in cellular assays for the detection of copper, iron, and cyanides, in addition to the detection of specific proteins by Western Blot."
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"Cyanides are produced by certain bacteria, fungi, and algae and are found in a number of plants. Cyanides are found, although in small amounts, in certain seeds and stones, e.g., those of apple, mango, peach, and bitter almonds.[8] In plants, cyanides are usually bound to sugar molecules in the form of cyanogenic glycosides and defend the plant against herbivores. Cassava roots (also called manioc), an important potato-like food grown in tropical countries (and the base from which tapioca is made), also contain cyanogenic glycosides.[9][10]"

 

[RandyN]

I can't speak for shuttlt, but I'd appreciate if you could post the photographs detailing the condition of the ground underneath Filomena's window which were entered into the evidence file. Thanks in advance.

I believe there is no such photo. That is due to police error. What we have from Massei is the word of a lying liar...who I think had a camera in his/her hand. Of course that is my opinion based on no guilter or prosecutor ever coming up with this photo. Why does Bruce need to show it?

You need to show it.

 

[Kaosium]

Hey Kaosium

Lets leave other posters to their own choices.

What would it take for me to convince you to read it

I'll happily provide that HST link if you can show me you have.

LOL! Platonov, if the number of times I've cited it isn't convincing, the fact I whined like a baby both here and at the IIP site when the Seattle PI link went dark, (the PMF version was more difficult for me to scan due to the pervasive bracketed Italian so I deleted it) that I (think) I mentioned I'd done so in one of my first posts, and that I've posted the link numerous times to others to get them to read it doesn't convince you, nothing will.

But wait! I doth protest too much--I must be lying! I must be guilty!

Maybe I've seen others make that type of 'argument' before, perhaps sometimes I like to toy with them a little...

Have I ever mentioned I have a twisted sense of humor?

At any rate I will admit that when he got confusing my eyes glazed over to the next section sometimes. I also read it during a short period of time in which I consumed about 300 pages of PMF and the cartwheels threads, thus it all tended to mush together sometimes in my mind. Also it was readily apparent that it was mostly bilge, and I had rather curious confirmation of that...

I like to explore things. Back in July when on vacation I went down the Rabbit Hole.

Do you know what I mean by that?

Now gimme my damn link!
'Digging up Nixon to kick him again' or something like that.

 

[Dan O.]

I must be using the wrong term, because I have searched the three threads and I can't find it. For some reason, the advanced search is not letting me search under my own name for Luminol, but if you were to look for Luminol under my name, you might find the few times I have written about it. The post I'm referring to had a citation from Wikipedia.

Is it Post 13650 from the original thread?

 

[Kaosium]

I must be using the wrong term, because I have searched the three threads and I can't find it. For some reason, the advanced search is not letting me search under my own name for Luminol, but if you were to look for Luminol under my name, you might find the few times I have written about it. The post I'm referring to had a citation from Wikipedia.

Here's Machiavelli's list of links, if you go to the next page I add a couple more. The same list of links can be found ~275 of the last thread as well, if you don't have a IIP account.

 

[platonov]

LOL! Platonov, if the number of times I've cited it isn't convincing ..................

So you have finally read it.

OK, if you say so.

No worries - you weren't patient zero in any case.

No names please, otherwise my post will get moved to AAH

 

[Mary_H]

Is it Post 13650 from the original thread?

Thank you, Dan. That was definitely part of the information, if not all.

I can't believe I called Fulcanelli, "genius." That wasn't very nice of me.

 

[Mary_H]

I assume that this is meant to be an attempt at a cute retort, but if you are seriously asking this question, I would have to say: No, I am reasonably certain that the observed presence of fresh wounds on persons of interest in a knife murder would make them more likely to be considered subsequently as suspects.

No, it wasn't meant to be cute, but maybe I could have expressed myself more effectively.

You wrote that the absence of defensive wounds is hardly exculpatory. If the arresting officer uses that approach, then nothing is exculpatory. The victim died of a gunshot wound and you don't have residue on your hands? That doesn't mean you didn't do it! The victim was raped and you're not a man? You still might be guilty!

Your logic favors intuition over evidence.

 

[Mary_H]

It's truly amazing that you point to a section of the Massei report dealing specifically with an examination of the mobile phone evidence in an attempt to assert unfounded claims relating to Sollecito's laptop.

Yes. Truly amazing.

Dan, please correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't you intend this comment as a compliment? That's how I interpreted it.

Originally Posted by Dan O. View Post
It's truly amazing in all the time this has been discussed, you are the first to bring up this possibility.

 

[Kaosium]

So you have finally read it.

OK, if you say so.

No worries - you weren't patient zero in any case.

No names, otherwise my post will get moved to AAH

Actually as you'll recall I took Dr. Waterbury's interpretation, though seeing it confirmed by luminaries like Kevin_Lowe and Charlie Wilkes when reading the threads no doubt cemented it in my mind. I can't seem to find how to go from 'Mendacious Drivel' to 'English' through Google Translate. What difference does it make anyway? Anyone cogent knew it was bunk, what trio of stoned kids would do such a thing when the obvious thing to do is just throw a rock through the damn window and make sure it opened?

I want my link!

 

[Mary_H]

Yes, it likely is MK footprint.

We will never know...they never sampled MK foot. And they over applied the luminol so that clear identification is impossible. These prints may as well have been made by bigfoot.

We would hope they took a little snip of the bathmat to ensure it was actually Meredith's blood, but in Perugia, you never know.

 

[platonov]

Actually as you'll recall I took Dr. Waterbury's interpretation, though seeing it confirmed by luminaries like ....._....

Man, I just told you 'no names' - haven't you figured it out.

Some arguments are so unassailable & logical that any responses are reported and moved to AAH (as this post will probably be).

Now lets change the subject.

 

[Kaosium]

We would hope they took a little snip of the bathmat to ensure it was actually Meredith's blood, but in Perugia, you never know.

They did.

The sky-blue mat found in that bathroom was stained with blood which was shown to be from the victim.

 

[RWVBWL]

I peeked into the girls' refrigerator looking for ingredients to make fake blood....

[qimg]http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=21&image_id=2033[/qimg]

Noticed on the bottom shelf containers of something called "Activia." Yogart, but not your garden-variety yogurt. This one was promoted as a cure for tummy troubles. See: HERE. Was it Meredith who was having tummy troubles? Don't the digestion-time studies mentioned on this forum ---to calculate time of death---chart only the digestion-time for people without tummy troubles?


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Greetings Fine,
Have you been readin' my mind?

With Rolfe's recent participation, I have wondered something. And you have mentioned it too. I vaguely remembered that last year I mentioned here on JREF that I recalled reading that Meredith had tummy issues, as do I, so remembering that, I had recently started to wonder if this might effect the ToD discussions here.

Had it been taken into account that if Meredith had a sensitive stomach,
how would that effect the starting time of her dinner's digestion?

So when I saw your post of the photograph of the refrig, it got me wondering what I had asked. Well I searched my own post and found this from back in Sept. '10:

As I read some of the intricacies of this brutal murder,
I had wondered how come Miss Kercher had a 0.43 BAC many, many hours after coming home from partying all night on Halloween. From what I had read, she came home after 5:00am, went to sleep and awoke as Amanda and Raffaele were making lunch, with fake blood still on her chin. She then took a shower and afterwards split, later hanging out with her English gal pals. They had pizza for dinner, but from what I recall, Miss Kercher did not eat much, and the English gals said they did not drink alcohol.

With an all night out on the town night before, that makes sense, they might have been a little burnt out.

As I have aged, I have developed a sensitve stomach and I recall reading that Miss Kercher did also, and so was carefull with what she ate. So this has stuck in my memory.
If she did not eat much at dinner, did she even eat desert then?
Or did she come home, eat part of a mushroom...
<snip>

I would like to rephrase Fine's question:
Does having a sensitive stomach make a person start to digest their food faster or slower than the average person?

 

[Kaosium]

Man, I just told you 'no names' - haven't you figured it out.

Some arguments are so unassailable & logical that any responses are reported and moved to AAH (as this post will probably be).

Now lets change the subject.

Platonov, perhaps you don't know this but part of your style is indicative of something veterans of the ether wars have seen many times before and is usually...not a good sign. Those who regularly up look past posts and arguments and try to embarrass people are generally disliked. People change their minds, some like to play devil's advocate sometimes for the intellectual stimulation, they post when they're pissed off or drunk occasionally and few wish to be constantly reminded of their worst posts. I did it not that long ago to make another point I thought valid and was ashamed of myself almost as soon as I did it.

No animus intended, I thought perhaps it might help if there's a cultural difference between you and other posters.

 

[Mary_H]

They did.

Well, darn it, there go Fine and Chris's cool hypotheses.

 

[Dan O.]

Dan, please correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't you intend this comment as a compliment? That's how I interpreted it.

Yes, I really was complimenting Aber for that observation and at the same time dissing everyone else for missing it.

I then posted the refutation and citation which also thanks to Aber's post I was prompted to look up. I figured that the defense wouldn't attempt to use the computer access alibi if they couldn't cover the portability angle. The citation in Massei was a bonus I wasn't expecting to be so easy.

 

[RandyN]

Greetings Fine,
Have you been readin' my mind?

With Rolfe's recent participation, I have wondered something. And you have mentioned it too. I vaguely remembered that last year I mentioned here on JREF that I recalled reading that Meredith had tummy issues, as do I, so remembering that, I had recently started to wonder if this might effect the ToD discussions here.

Had it been taken into account that if Meredith had a sensitive stomach,
how would that effect the starting time of her dinner's digestion?

So when I saw your post of the photograph of the refrig, it got me wondering what I had asked. Well I searched my own post and found this from back in Sept. '10:


I would like to rephrase Fine's question:
Does having a sensitive stomach make a person start to digest their food faster or slower than the average person?

I will make an educated guess on this...ever ate fire hot chili? I would expect someone with a "sensitive" stomach to be sensitive to more food stuffs.

But Im pretty sure I never read anything about MK and stomach problems. AK has issues that I have read about.

 

[Kaosium]

Well, darn it, there go Fine and Chris's cool hypotheses.

Maybe about the bathmat, but not the luminol footprints, that is a cool theory, and argument with a picture of a refrigerator and everything!

It has to be something, fake blood seems like it would do the trick judging from what I saw posted, it would light up luminol due to the ingredients. It doesn't account for Stefanoni saying she saw the distinct CL pattern undiluted blood gives off, which is actually a huge problem for the prosecution.

 

[Katody Matrass]

So you refuse to read the detailed reasoning of how the court reached its decision, and yet you still feel entitled to say that Knox-supporters are "winning"? How is that a reasonable position to take, given that you must be at least hazily aware that many "guilters" who have posted to this and the other Knox threads make explicit reference to Massei citations (and find implicit agreement with its overall findings) to buttress their arguments?

Hello again, Fuji

Guilters don't have a monopoly on quoting Massei. My impression only but recently it's the "innocenters" that don't refrain from using Massei to substantiate their points. Modern guilter argument is either complete disregard and step away from Massei's narrative (like e.g. Machiavelli does) or arguing that the "facts" they need to be true to make their point are not in the report, but in the "10 000 pages case file"

Oh, and let's not forget the terrifying mystery of argument [403].