Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Children are born autistic, or on the autism spectrum, and subtle signs are there months before MMR vaccination takes place. Less subtle signs tend to show up around the time the MMR vaccination takes place, that doesn't mean the MMR vaccine has any connection to autism.
As for the vaccinations against HPV, my daughter got them, and like the vast majority of young women, she had no side effects whatsoever.
Humanity has eradicated one disease from the human population so far, small pox, due mostly to a vaccination program. We are so close to doing the same with other deadly diseases like polio, and we were getting there with measles, until this idiocy.
 
Arisia said:
Children are born autistic, or on the autism spectrum, and subtle signs are there months before MMR vaccination takes place. Less subtle signs tend to show up around the time the MMR vaccination takes place, that doesn't mean the MMR vaccine has any connection to autism.
As for the vaccinations against HPV, my daughter got them, and like the vast majority of young women, she had no side effects whatsoever.
Humanity has eradicated one disease from the human population so far, small pox, due mostly to a vaccination program. We are so close to doing the same with other deadly diseases like polio, and we were getting there with measles, until this idiocy.
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The idiocy is the belief that children, after what, 600,000 years are now becoming autistic because they are genetically disposed to. Inherited brain dysfunction. That's nutso. World wide inherited autism.

What do kids with autism have in common? Start with that and get back to planet Earth?

Show me a study that produces 1000 autistic children who were never vaccinated.

I'm hooked, this forum makes me feel like Mike Judge.
 
Autism has always been with us. The only reason there seems to be an increase now is that they broadened the diagnostic symptoms for autism to the point where just about anyone with any "weirdness" to them now qualifies.

But how many kids get diagnosed as "mentally retarded" now? Since that almost never happens anymore I declare that vaccines have eliminated it.
 
Show me a study that produces 1000 autistic children who were never vaccinated.
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What would be the point? You would come back saying either that

a) the study is flawed somehow, or

b) that all right, so vaccines aren't the only thing that causes autism. Although admittedly that would be some sort of progress.

Edit: but as vaccines do not cause autism, I suspect I already know what the statistics, when presented to you, will show;).
 
Clayton Moore said:
The idiocy is the belief that children, after what, 600,000 years are now becoming autistic because they are genetically disposed to. Inherited brain dysfunction. That's nutso. World wide inherited autism.
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The idiocy is the belief that children after what, 600,000 years are now developing ADD because they are genetically disposed to. Inherited brain dysfunction. That's nutso. World wide inherited ADD.

You don't see the flaw at all in your logic?

What do kids with autism have in common? Start with that and get back to planet Earth?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8FwBSITW-4
 
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It is difficult, to say the least, to convince someone (particularly a mother) that their child's illness or disability cannot necessarily be blamed on an event such as innoculation rather than accept that it's just one of those things that we are all at risk of to a greater or lesser degree.

Vaccinations do have side effects, that is why manufacturers have to state that there is risk on the product labelling. A drug is approved if it can be demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that the benefit outweighs the risk, but that still leaves risk. It is a fact that drugs have been released that have resulted in appalling outcomes - e.g. Thalidomide.

Take all of the above facts, add heart-rending anecdotes that a child was diagnosed autistic after some vaccine shots (yes, I know these events are coincidental), claims of curing the apparently incurable through diet or bicarbonate of soda or whatever, and you end up with a hell of an uphill battle to educate and get acceptance by some that we need to act collectively for the benefit of all even at personal risk to us or our children.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Go spread those lies somewhere else. In the fifties I think there were over a million cases a year of measles and about 500 deaths a year. 60 years later I'm sure most of those lives would be saved by modern medicine.
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'Modern medicine' would include vaccinations.

Arisia said:
Children are born autistic, or on the autism spectrum, and subtle signs are there months before MMR vaccination takes place. Less subtle signs tend to show up around the time the MMR vaccination takes place, that doesn't mean the MMR vaccine has any connection to autism.
As for the vaccinations against HPV, my daughter got them, and like the vast majority of young women, she had no side effects whatsoever.
Humanity has eradicated one disease from the human population so far, small pox, due mostly to a vaccination program. We are so close to doing the same with other deadly diseases like polio, and we were getting there with measles, until this idiocy.
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Unfortunately, human stupidity is the most resilient parasite of all.

aggle-rithm said:
My God...they all drink WATER!

Quick, everyone! Stop drinking water!
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I...I can't! What have they done to me! Help!
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Go spread those lies somewhere else. In the fifties I think there were over a million cases a year of measles and about 500 deaths a year. 60 years later I'm sure most of those lives would be saved by modern medicine.
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The same modern medicine you are denying.
 
000063 said:
'Modern medicine' would include vaccinations.

Unfortunately, human stupidity is the most resilient parasite of all.

I...I can't! What have they done to me! Help!
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Beer.
 
The idiocy is the belief that children, after what, 600,000 years are now becoming autistic because they are genetically disposed to.
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200 000. There were no humans around 600 000 years ago.

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Go spread those lies somewhere else. In the fifties I think there were over a million cases a year of measles and about 500 deaths a year. 60 years later I'm sure most of those lives would be saved by modern medicine.
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I couldn't care less what you think. This is a sceptic's forum, we try to base our posts on verified facts. The facts in this case are that the diseases prevented by vaccines still take lives -- like most any disease. In fact, nothing in the world has a 100% survival rate.
 
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tsig said:
Beer.
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Yeah, that's a good idea! I'll drink beer, and then harder and harder liquor, and eventually I won't need to drink anything at all! It's like a breatharian, except with just liquid! Thanks, tsig!
 
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Safe-Keeper said:
200 000. There were no humans around 600 000 years ago.

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I couldn't care less what you think. This is a sceptic's forum, we try to base our posts on verified facts. The facts in this case are that the diseases prevented by vaccines still take lives -- like most any disease. In fact, nothing in the world has a 100% survival rate.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Evolution

Homo sapiens idaltu (roughly translated as "elder wise human"), the other known subspecies, is now extinct.[16] Homo neanderthalensis, which became extinct 30,000 years ago, has sometimes been classified as a subspecies, "Homo sapiens neanderthalensis"; genetic studies now suggest that the functional DNA of modern humans and Neanderthals diverged 500,000 years ago.
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Tell me about your bs facts. Show me a study of the numbers of autistic children who didn't receive vaccinations.
 
Unfortunately Clayton, countries with systems that could tabulate autism are also countries where all the kids get vaccines. That doesn't mean there are no kids with autism in places with no vaccines. There's just no one there to diagnose them with autism.
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Evolution
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... the very first para of which states:
Anatomically modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago, reaching full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago.
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Foot bullet much?
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Clayton Moore said:
Tell me about your bs facts. Show me a study of the numbers of autistic children who didn't receive vaccinations.
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Maurice Hilleman developed the MMR vaccine starting in 1963.

The term "autism" was first used in 1911 by Eugen Bleuler.

Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger (among others) were diagnosing autism in the 1940s.

None of these gentlemen's patients could possibly have received the MMR vaccine, and yet each was diagnosed with having ASD.

Of course, then there's this, but there are lots of big words in that so let me simplify: the physical / genetic / chemical composition of an autistic brain is different than that of a non-autistic brain. Unless you can demonstrate that these differences are caused by vaccines (and further, why the vast majority of children receiving vaccines do *not* show these differences,) your lies about vaccines are shown to be just that.
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Safe-Keeper said:
200 000. There were no humans around 600 000 years ago.

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I couldn't care less what you think. This is a sceptic's forum, we try to base our posts on verified facts. The facts in this case are that the diseases prevented by vaccines still take lives -- like most any disease. In fact, nothing in the world has a 100% survival rate.
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I know personally the parents of maybe 10 young children including my granddaughters. 3 of the little boys are autistic. Where is your skepticism? You actually think 22 different vaccines couldn't screw up a baby's brain.

Vaccines aren't freaking pills with a specific dosage. Vaccines are live diseases, injected into a baby.

What freaking disease goes directly into the blood stream and directly into the brain? I guess the closest thing in nature would be snake venom and we all know how that works out. And then there's mosquitoes injecting malaria into the bloodstream.
 
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