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About 6 weeks ago, on april 14th, I "signed" the "petition" over at AE911"truth" (ahhh them scare quotes can be fun :D), while making it clear in the personal message that the profile is intended as a mock:
Oystein said:
E-mail: ae911truth.org@xxxxxx.xxx

First Name: Xxxx
Last Name: Xxxxxxx
Degree: MAMS, Management Science
City: Xxxx
Country: Germany
Category: Other Supporters and A&E Students (tentative) — {XMISC}
Discipline: Other (O)
Disc Other: IT consulting
Status: Degreed (U)
Phone: 49nnnnnnnnnnnnn
IP Number: xx.xx.xxx.xxx
Short Bio: "Been working as a Consultant for many years now.
In my spare time I have researched all sides of
the 9/11 issue."
9/11 Statement: "Seen videos of WTC7 and thought OMG! This needs to
be spread to more people!"
Additional info: "This is a bogus signature. I just want to find out
how long it takes to sign your so-called
"Petition" (which you obviously don't plan to
submit, ever), what you guys do with my signature.
I think AE911truth is dealing in error."
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Today, I finally got a personal message rejecting my signature:
bromanoff@ae911truth.org said:
Xxxxx,

I have reviewed your profile and I wanted to contact you and let you know:

We will be deleting the "bogus signature," that you have sent to us at ae911truth.org

You are welcome to fill out the petition in the future if you are sincere about your intent to support us.

No harm done.

Brian Romanoff
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So at least, while they are working slowly, they do actually read what they get, and don't add signatures blindly.
 
Oystein said:
About 6 weeks ago, on april 14th, I "signed" the "petition" over at AE911"truth" (ahhh them scare quotes can be fun :D), while making it clear in the personal message that the profile is intended as a mock:


Today, I finally got a personal message rejecting my signature:


So at least, while they are working slowly, they do actually read what they get, and don't add signatures blindly.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH. That's amazing man. Great read.
 
Oystein said:
Today, I looked at all engineers in AE911"truth" with an engineering license from the state of New Jersey.

Here is the New Jersey roster of Professional Engineers:
http://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/pels/pelroste.pdf
It lists "Active" and "Reitired-Payed" engineers, with license number. The vast majority in this list is "Active".
This list contains 19758 P.E.s

Now let's look at the signers:
http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php
Under "Engineers (Degreed & Licensed – Active & Retired)", we find these 6 guys who claim licenses from NJ:

Name|Eng. branch|License #|Status
Donald Meserlian |Mechanical|24GE01507900| Active Fred Nguyen |Mechanical|24GE03923300| Active Michael T. Donly | Structural/Civil |24GE04422400| Active Mohammad Imran |Mechanical|24GE03019600| Active Richard F. Humenn |Electrical|(unknown)| Retired Robert J. Randall |Naval/Marine|32741/this is not a NJ license #| not found/inactive

So, out of 19758 active or retired-payed professional engineers in New Jersey, 4 signed the petition: that is 0.02%.

Only 1 (one) of them has expertise with any kind of building structures.
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Meserlian was forced to surrender his license about five years ago. Meserlian's quite a character:

An 82-year-old North Caldwell man who for 1 1/2 years has desperately tried to convince local officials to pass along “evidence” of treason on Sept. 11, 2001 to a New Jersey judge got his day in court last week.

But it was not exactly the forum Don Meserlian wanted. He was there on charges of harassing a borough police captain, filed after he relentlessly pestered the local police department to further his cause.

Meserlian was found guilty Thursday in Fairfield municipal court of telling the officer on a recorded phone line last October, at a point when his frustration boiled over, “I will kick your a**” and “I can beat you any time with one hand tied behind my back.”
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Oystein said:
What's so funny there? Actually, my post complimented AE on a job properly done ;)
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Who knows, I just find AE911Truth to be repulsive fear mongering profiteers who try to establish this line of credibility. I can't seem to find your post right now but what made me laugh was your fake signature or whatever that was. I have a sad sense of humor =)
 
Today I am looking at all Professional Engineers from AE911"truth" who have a PE license from the state of Pennsylvania. To find them, I did a local search for the strings "PA" and "Penn" in the "Engineers (Degreed & Licensed – Active & Retired)" section of http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

I found only 4 such entries.

I looked them up on the Pennsylvania online license verification service. Here are the results:

Name|Eng. branch|License #|Status
Harry B. Brown |Mechanical| PE025639E | expired James Robert Van Langen |Mechanical| PE025663E | active Michael T. DiMercurio |Mechanical|?| not found Patricia Lyn Seitz |Architectural|19559| not found / not a PE# from PA

One can do a search for P.E.'s leaving all search form fields blank. I got 188 pages of names, each having 40 entries, so a total of 7481-7520 P.E. licenses total for the state of Pennsylvania. It is possible that this blank search did not return all results.

Of these, only 2 (0.027% at most) signed the "petition". One of the two has his license expired (since 09/2009). Both are mechanical engineers, not the engineering branch that you want to consult for questions relating to buildings.
 
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In likewise fashion, I searched http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php for Professional Engineers with licenses from the state of Georgia - search string "Ga" or "Georgia".
Found only two residents of Ga. listed, none of whom has a license from the state of Georgia - look them up on the pages of the Georgia Secretary of State:

  • Ronald G. Lawson - not found by name
  • James S. Fajcz - has a license (#90476458, search form here) from Ontario, Canada and should probably not be on the list of US engineers to start with.

According to http://sos.georgia.gov/plb/pels/ there are 18,837 active Professional Engineers licensed in Georgia as of today.
Of these, zero (0, 0%) signed the "petition".
 
And now for the Professional Engineers with a license from the state of Connecticut:

Here is the lookup form of the State of CT for professional licenses:
https://www.elicense.ct.gov/Lookup/LicenseLookup.aspx

Notice the link at the side where you can download rosters: I did that for "Engineers", and got a list with 9894 licenses, all of them active.

AE911"truth" has 3 names with apparently PE licenses from CT (search strings "CT" and "Conn") listed in "Engineers (Degreed & Licensed – Active & Retired)":

Name|Eng. branch|License #|Status
David Motto |Maritime|57416| not found (this is a "patent agent", not a PE# from CT)
Donald Stewart MacMillan | Civil | 8871 | active Gregory C. Yust |Aeronautical| 12627 | active

Not sure if the first entry should be in that section for licensed engineers. Can anybody tell me what this "patent agent" thing is?

As it were, of the 9894 active engineers licensed in Connecticut, 2 (0.020%) signed the "petition". One of them is even in the relevant field of civil engineering.
 
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Oystein said:
So at least, while they are working slowly, they do actually read what they get, and don't add signatures blindly.
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Well all you did is show they read them, not check them any further than what someone claims. I suggest you then go to the next step, submit another fake name but make it sound real, where it would be easy to check whether you are registered or if they asked you for any further evidence of your credentials.
 
Edx said:
Well all you did is show they read them, not check them any further than what someone claims. I suggest you then go to the next step, submit another fake name but make it sound real, where it would be easy to check whether you are registered or if they asked you for any further evidence of your credentials.
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I didn't submit a fake name or fake bio. I submitted my own. In the post above I just x'ed out my name and other personal information, since it doesn't belong here.

One could try several layers of fake: A fake persona, and make him or her an engineer, or pick a real engineer and use his or her personal data.
I am not sure I actually want to do any of that.

I am going through their list state by state as my time allows, with the eventual goal of contacting some of them. Orphia Nay has thread open somewhere where we discussed checking on the signers, if they would still subscribe to this nonsense, or what they have done in the meantime about it.
 
Now on to the Professional Engineers from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts!

The lookup-page for P.E.'s in the state of MA is
http://license.reg.state.ma.us/public/licque.asp?color=red&Board=EN

You can search by first letter, and get a full listing. Searching for all 26 first letters, I compiled a roster of all engineers with a license number: I found 40800.
Of these,
- 15861 are active ("current"; the rest expired, deceased, or in the process of renewal)
- 17168 are Civil or Structural Engineers
- 8914 are active Civil or Structural Engineers

Searching through AE911T's signatures in the section "Engineers (degreed & licensed)", I find the following men who claim to hold an engineering license from MA:

Name|Eng. branch|License #|Status
Alexander R. Thorp | Civil |46314| current Amit Singh |Electrical|668556, 54451| not found (says he is a patent attorney, only eng. "background")
Arthur Nelson | Structural |32785| current Gerald D. Olson |Mechanical|34864| expired James E. Parker | Civil |39740| current Rich McCampbell |Chemical|32367| current Robert C. Hentschel |Mechanical|33473| expired William J. Cundiff | Civil |39097| current William R. Nugent |Electrical|17634| current

So 8 of the 9 are really Mass. engineers, Amid Singh however should be bumped out of that section.

8 is 0.020% of all licenses.
4 are of the relevant engineering branches (civ. or struct.), that's 0.023% of 17168. If I include Construction Engineers, Fire Protection Engineers and Metallurgical Engineers among those best qualified to asses AE911T's claims, then that percentage is slightly lower at 0.022%

ETA: AE911T is doing fairly well in Mass., compared to other states, when it comes to recruiting active vs. inactive, and construction vs. non-construction engineers. 6 of 15861 active engineers, or 0.038%, signed up. That is 1 per every 2644. Among active construction engineers, the number is up at 0.045% (1 in 2229).
 
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James E. Parker's bio lists him living in California...

Good. One less idiot in my state. Lordie knows we have enough of 'em here.
 
NoahFence said:
James E. Parker's bio lists him living in California...

Good. One less idiot in my state. Lordie knows we have enough of 'em here.
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Of course, engineers can have a license outside their state of residence. Just over half of the Mass. licensees are listed with a city of residence that ends with "MA". More than 250 are even listed outside the USA.

On the other hand, some engineers are licensed in more than one state. Robert Hentschel, for example, has licenses from SC (status not checked by me so far), MA (expired) and TX (active). He lives in Texas.

Also, it is possible that one engineer has more than one license - typically for different engineering branches. So 40800 licenses does not correspond to 40800 engineers; you should probably deduct 1% or 2% to account for people with 2 or more licenses.

I am always doing a count of licenses.
 
Oystein said:
Not sure if the first entry should be in that section for licensed engineers. Can anybody tell me what this "patent agent" thing is?
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Patent agent/attorney is an individual who has been licensed (in the US) by the USPTO and therefore is entitled to prepare, file, and prosecute patent applications and to give a professional opinion on whether a concept is patentable.
A patent agent, as opposed to a patent attorney, is not required to be licensed to practice law but is not entitled to provide legal services related to patents.
Either must have a bachelor's degree in a science/engineering field or equivalent (as decided by the USPTO) qualifications such as the Fundamentals of Engineering exam.
 
catsmate1 said:
Patent agent/attorney is an individual who has been licensed (in the US) by the USPTO and therefore is entitled to prepare, file, and prosecute patent applications and to give a professional opinion on whether a concept is patentable.
A patent agent, as opposed to a patent attorney, is not required to be licensed to practice law but is not entitled to provide legal services related to patents.
Either must have a bachelor's degree in a science/engineering field or equivalent (as decided by the USPTO) qualifications such as the Fundamentals of Engineering exam.
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Thanks! :)

So my assessment was correct that this person, as merely a patent agent, is NOT a licensed engineer, and does not belong in the section "Engineers (degreed and licensed)" ;)
 
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