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Merged Bin Laden Raid Not Successful / AE911 Crosses Line

16.5 said:
Nice research skills:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210104

Funny how Al Quaeda disagrees with your Roberts, huh?
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I have no reason to assume that Al Quaeda exists at all even as a rudimentary organisation.

Even these people you quote believe what western media are reporting.

Did any one of these 'Al Qaeda' warriers claim to have met bin Laden ever since december 2001? That would be a different matter alltogether. Until that moment, or interviews with one of these wives of bin Laden on Arabian television, there is not a shred of proof that bin Laden was 'taken out' recently. All the evidence points to that that was not the case.
 
geni said:
A few problems with this one. Firstly it's not consistent with witness reports at the time.
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Would you care to tell us what witness report you are refering to?

Secondly it's impossible that a significant number of body parts were cleaned up in the time availible.
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Huh? Even the US-gov admitted that a helicopter had crashed. Nobody denies that that carcas was removed. So why not a few limbs as well?

Thirdly helecopters don't explode like that. Since they have self sealing fuel tanks you'll have a hard time even getting the things to burn.
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Nobody says that the helicopter 'exploded'. The phrase was "it blew away and caught fire". Again, even the US-gov admits that a helicopter crashed, in accordance with the Pakistani witness, so let's not go there.
 
9/11-investigator said:
I have no reason to assume that Al Quaeda exists at all even as a rudimentary organisation.

Even these people you quote believe what western media are reporting.

Did any one of these 'Al Qaeda' warriers claim to have met bin Laden ever since december 2001? That would be a different matter alltogether. Until that moment, or interviews with one of these wives of bin Laden on Arabian television, there is not a shred of proof that bin Laden was 'taken out' recently. All the evidence points to that that was not the case.
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lulz.

Hey dude, how do you even know Bin Laden existed, huh?

Or Hitler, for that matter. Maybe he was just a figment of your imagination?
 
9/11-investigator said:
Would you care to tell us what witness report you are refering to?
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Well the twitter feed and the families who live around the compound.

Huh? Even the US-gov admitted that a helicopter had crashed. Nobody denies that that carcas was removed. So why not a few limbs as well?
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It wasn't removed. It was blown up.

Nobody says that the helicopter 'exploded'.
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"Bashir: Shamrez was at our home, as the helicopter exploded, me and many others went out of our homes to see what happened. "


The phrase was "it blew away and caught fire". Again, even the US-gov admits that a helicopter crashed, in accordance with the Pakistani witness, so let's not go there.
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There is a significant difference between crashing and catching fire. A low altitude crash should not result in a fire of any significance. Remeber one of the standard test of fuel tank designs is to throw the things off a tower.
 
I'm not surprised at AE911, I long ago realized that 9/11 kooks are traitors that will believe and support anything and anyone that is anti-American.
 
It really makes me wonder the reception all the allied soliders would get today returning from WW2

"Horrah we won, and beat Germany"

"No you didn't"
 
MG1962 said:
It really makes me wonder the reception all the allied soliders would get today returning from WW2

"Horrah we won, and beat Germany"

"No you didn't"
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I grew up around those guys. The Truther would be lucky to keep his teeth.
 
geni said:
Well the twitter feed and the families who live around the compound.



It wasn't removed. It was blown up.



"Bashir: Shamrez was at our home, as the helicopter exploded, me and many others went out of our homes to see what happened. "




There is a significant difference between crashing and catching fire. A low altitude crash should not result in a fire of any significance. Remeber one of the standard test of fuel tank designs is to throw the things off a tower.
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I am reading the same thing as you and can see that he said "exploded". What would this guy have to gain by lying? Not that I believe his word but I don't normally believe anybody on just their word... especially if they have a dog in the race.
 
yet another example of truthers seizing on an unsubstantiated media report.

If Bin Laden wasn't killed in that house, the Pakistanis would have every reason to prove it. And it would be easy. DNA testing could be done on samples in the house. The US claims his brain matter was splattered in his bedroom. Clearly there were puddles of blood. Plenty of samples according to the Americans. The Pakistanis have his wives and kids.

Or can we add the Pakistanis to the never ending list of 9/11 conspirators? (a list, by the way, that truthers will tell you "doesn't have to be that long")
 
RCory said:
yet another example of truthers seizing on an unsubstantiated media report.

If Bin Laden wasn't killed in that house, the Pakistanis would have every reason to prove it. And it would be easy. DNA testing could be done on samples in the house. The US claims his brain matter was splattered in his bedroom. Clearly there were puddles of blood. Plenty of samples according to the Americans. The Pakistanis have his wives and kids.

Or can we add the Pakistanis to the never ending list of 9/11 conspirators? (a list, by the way, that truthers will tell you "doesn't have to be that long")
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I certainly hope you are not referring to me with those "truthers" comments.
 
NoahFence said:
If the interview is not a hoax and the translation is correct, we now know the answer to the unasked question: Why was there no White House ceremony with President Obama pinning medals all over the heroic SEALs who tracked down and executed Public Enemy Number One?
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I don't know who this traitor Paul Craig Roberts thinks he is, but I sure wouldn't mind him being next on the list.
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I remember many years ago, just after the US airstrikes on Libya in 1986 LIFE magazine showed a photograph of the USAF pilots involved. It looked just like a typical group portrait one usually sees of military units, except all the pilots had their visors down and the oxygen masks on. The caption underneath said this was to prevent the pilots from being identified and they or their families from being targeted at home by terrorists.

Either Roberts and is ilk are being as stupid as usual, or they know damn well why servicemen involved in anti-terror operations aren't shown to the public and they want these men and their families put in danger.
 
ladmo said:
I am reading the same thing as you and can see that he said "exploded".
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"Bashir: Shamrez was at our home, as the helicopter exploded, me and many others went out of our homes to see what happened. "

Is a direct quote from the article.

What would this guy have to gain by lying?
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Attention. Well that and the hope the lie hurts the US.
 
ladmo said:
I am reading the same thing as you and can see that he said "exploded". What would this guy have to gain by lying? Not that I believe his word but I don't normally believe anybody on just their word... especially if they have a dog in the race.
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Surely you can think of something he could gain? It's Pakistan. There is a very large faction in the military and in the population that supported UBL. He might be a sympathizer, or the producer of the news show might be a sympathizer, or the Colonel up the block might be. (It is essentially a military-oriented city.)

And those are just the options in the "somebody put him up to it for political reasons". The more common idiotic eye witnesses are just attention seekers. They were in the neighborhood or area and embroider their experience to put themselves in the midst of the action.

(By last count, based on all the people in the neighborhoods who've told everyone about being there, there were 1,244,019 people in the Polo Grounds when Bobby Thompson hit the "shot heard 'round the world". Obviously some of those are wrong, but I've seen people relate very believable versions of the events of that day, including, almost to a man, the fact that the place was jammed to overflowing. Funny that - the actual attendance was only 35,000 that day.)
 
geni said:
Attention. Well that and the hope the lie hurts the US.
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That would make sense, it also appears that the story would be easy to refute. From what I can tell it never gained traction, even in foreign newspapers.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Surely you can think of something he could gain? It's Pakistan. There is a very large faction in the military and in the population that supported UBL. He might be a sympathizer, or the producer of the news show might be a sympathizer, or the Colonel up the block might be. (It is essentially a military-oriented city.)

And those are just the options in the "somebody put him up to it for political reasons". The more common idiotic eye witnesses are just attention seekers. They were in the neighborhood or area and embroider their experience to put themselves in the midst of the action.
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I certainly thought about that, I am not a fan of that country. The conundrum that I found is that we (including me) believe what we are told about the killing of bin laden but do not believe what this guy says yet both claims are only supported through observation.

(By last count, based on all the people in the neighborhoods who've told everyone about being there, there were 1,244,019 people in the Polo Grounds when Bobby Thompson hit the "shot heard 'round the world". Obviously some of those are wrong, but I've seen people relate very believable versions of the events of that day, including, almost to a man, the fact that the place was jammed to overflowing. Funny that - the actual attendance was only 35,000 that day.)[/QUOTE]

Great example... I wonder how many people on this board know who Bobby Thompson was without looking him up?
 
Or as Brooklyn would call him, "Bobby Bleeping Thompson"

Plenty of people have seen the evidence, and I can't think of any that would have a reason to lie about it.
 
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