Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[LondonJohn]

And it's time for bed I think. An interesting evening's debate tonight - particularly Rolfe's contributions (I hope you visit this thread more often to give your views as this case unravels). Will be interesting to see what the reaction to Girlanda's letter might be tomorrow....

 

[Alt+F4]

Do you really think that PMF lays it all out there and lets you decide for yourself? They allow no one that disagrees with them to post. They post lie after lie without no recourse...

...I agree that PMF is good for translation.

A bit of a contradiction, don't you think?

You say that sites like IIP post what they want to post. What info would you like me to post? We post hundreds of photos and video along with presentations that were presented in court by defense experts. IIP will not post any crime scene or autopsy photos of Meredith but other than that, everything we have is available.

Could you post a link? Thanks.

 

[Rolfe]

Yes, As I pointed out directly to you before that is not the 'evidence' i.e. those facts are 'untrue' & and you are also missing other pertinent information.

Although you seem to have spotted the distinction between 'at autopsy' and at 'Time of death' or
am I reading too much into your post ?

Now either your sources for this info - mendacious CT arguments - are not necessarily to be trusted.

Or else the defence experts are in on the conspiracy.

Now which is more likely in your opinion ?

This is the post you linked to.

Rolfe

Not quite there yet I'm afraid - unless you also believe the defence team/experts were in on the conspiracy.

Continue your research - you may have missed something (several things actually)

However your implication that the trial of this sordid murder somehow compares to one of the more notorious political trials in W Europe in recent times doesn't inspire confidence.

The last line from this post by Rose Montague may aid you (in a roundabout way) in this regard - or perhaps not.

Suffice to say your current arguments are equivalent to me bursting into the Lockerbie threads claiming that I had cracked the case on the basis that the L & G in PFLP-GC stood for Libya & Ga-Dafffy respectively [or, not to reopen old wounds, that the IRA were obtaining munitions from Libya on a commercial basis].

It is absolute gibberish. What on earth does the fact that Gadaffi was arming the IRA have to do with anything at all, other than that this was one of the reasons it was politically expedient to blame Libya for the Lockerbie atrocity, to provide leverage against the rogue state.

So tell me, which facts do you seriously dispute? That Meredith had her pizza at or before 6 o'clock? That her stomach contained 500ml ingesta at PM? That her duodenum was empty? Or is there some other killer fact that overrides the clear implication from these facts?

Do tell.

Rolfe.

 

[platonov]

This is the post you linked to.




It is absolute gibberish. What on earth does the fact that Gadaffi was arming the IRA have to do with anything at all, other than that this was one of the reasons it was politically expedient to blame Libya for the Lockerbie atrocity, to provide leverage against the rogue state.

So tell me, which facts do you seriously dispute? That Meredith had her pizza at or before 6 o'clock? That her stomach contained 500ml ingesta at PM? That her duodenum was empty? Or is there some other killer fact that overrides the clear implication from these facts?

Do tell.

Rolfe.

You might try clicking on the other link I gave you - & finding the post/thread.
Thats twice now I have provided it to you.

[And you wonder why I dont want to repeat arguments for the 38th time ?]

The bolded 6pm / this info is also a large clue.


ETA My PFLP-GC / IRA analogy still stands - for reasons which should by now be apparent.

 

[lane99]

..The moderator kicked people out when they changed their minds so now it is all pro guilt people.

Oh, THAT place? Alright, thanks, spartacus. I've familiar with it, but wouldn't trust it to tell me the time.

It's a cult site for true believers.

 

[HumanityBlues]

I might be wrong. Ask them. When I've seen the question directly asked may say that they don't think that they will be, or that they think it's unlikely, but my impression is that most accept the possibility. The question isnt normally asked so plainly though.

I think you'd find it's the exact opposite.

 

[shuttlt]

Then they shouldn't be "pro-guilt" then. They should be taking a more nuanced position that they believe Knox and Sollecito participated in the murder, but that there is not sufficient evidence to convict them. If that were the case, I would have a lot more respect for their positions (although I'd still disagree with it).

Ask people. Things split into two camps and everybody supposed that everybody in each camp is interchangable. People talk in short hand so often their real position becomes obscured. How often have people say "there is literally no evidence against them", when in fact they mean something strong, but slightly more nuanced.

A lot of people, I think, feel most strongly that Knox is a liar - based on not believing in the whole injected false memories meme. How commited they are to her exact involvement beyond that I'm not sure. I've seen people speculate (a long while ago admittedly) that perhaps she was there, not directly involved, and all the rest of this stems from her not wanting to admit that, and then being in too deep to turn back.

 

[shuttlt]

I think you'd find it's the exact opposite.

Can we have a show of hands from the pro-guilters? How many think there is no reasonable possibility of her getting off at appeal?

 

[RoseMontague]

Frank has a new post up.

http://perugia-shock.com/blog/

 

[babycondor]

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So tell me, which facts do you seriously dispute? That Meredith had her pizza at or before 6 o'clock? That her stomach contained 500ml ingesta at PM? That her duodenum was empty? Or is there some other killer fact that overrides the clear implication from these facts?

Do tell.

Rolfe.

I believe platonov is alluding to his belief that "the defence teams and Massei have a possible meal start time as late as 7."

RoseMontague's post explains that the 7pm meal start time is just wrong, as it contradicts the testimony of Meredith's friends who were with her at the meal.

 

[Alt+F4]

Can we have a show of hands from the pro-guilters? How many think there is no reasonable possibility of her getting off at appeal?

I think AK and RS will lose their appeals, I'm almost certain of it. I suspect that AK's upsetment at last Saturday's hearing is that her lawyers told her it was almost hopeless.

 

[theRealBob]

I think those quotes from Mignini, TMJK recently posted, are one of the key factors that the case revolves around.
He's convinced he saw a girl relieved to get rid of something after the interrogation.
Unfortunately for her and a few other people she was simply relieved to finally be allowed to go to the toilet and have a **** instead of having to do it in front of the venomous interrogators who seem to have driven her nuts in those 4 & 1/4 hours.
Mignini is convinced he's right, but he's wrong. He stuffed up. Mignini simply didn't kniow what he was looking at because he doesn't understand the interrogation of Amanda.
From there the lying cheating framing from the Perugia copshop gained momentum...

 

[RoseMontague]

Dempsey's new post is also very interesting.

The experts made it clear, very politely, that Dr. Stefanoni and the rest of the CSI folks in Rome had not been super cooperative.The experts had a problem getting information from Stefanoni. They had to ask repeatedly. At one point Stefanoni said to them, you don’t need that. And the judge came back to her and said, yeah, I do.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/05/25/inside-amanda-knox’s-appeal-the-emperor-has-no-clothes/

 

[shuttlt]

Not this side of the pond. I don't know anything about it.

Rolfe.

I'm sitting on the same side of the pond as you and should go to bed. Rubin Carter is the chap from the Dylan song 'Hurricane'. Famous wrongful conviction in the US freed after writing a book and gaining the help of some motivated supporters on the outside. Aparantly there is speculation that he may have been guilty. I've no particular idea whether it's well founded speculation.

 

[shuttlt]

I think those quotes from Mignini, TMJK recently posted, are one of the key factors that the case revolves around.
He's convinced he saw a girl relieved to get rid of something after the interrogation.
Unfortunately for her and a few other people she was simply relieved to finally be allowed to go to the toilet and have a **** instead of having to do it in front of the venomous interrogators who seem to have driven her nuts in those 4 & 1/4 hours.

Could you show me your workings here. They got to the police station after 10pm. She sat in the waiting room. She did her homework. She talked to the police. She did some stretching. She spoke on the phone. Is that all part of the 4 & 1/4 hours? Did he see her immediately after that to get that impression. Or do you mean the thing with Mignini later on? how do you get to 4 & 1/4 hours. It seems very precise.

 

[shuttlt]

I think AK and RS will lose their appeals, I'm almost certain of it. I suspect that AK's upsetment at last Saturday's hearing is that her lawyers told her it was almost hopeless.

Would you be shocked to the core, or just a bit surprised?

As for the upsetment... It's amazing how much reading of signs and portents goes on in relation to the appeal.

 

[jhunter1163]

Not as mod:

I think it very likely that the appeals will fail.

This opinion has not, and will not, affect any moderation I have done or will do in this thread.

 

[Justinian2]

If per chance you are able to do that a la your referenced humorous You Tube, please let that Carnival Barker I mentioned in an argument a few posts up thread and myself know ASAP

In contrast to the Carnival's phoney purported mind reading specialist...I would with alacrity pay a quarter to see your fireballs and especially the lightning bolts.

I have something far deadlier than lightning bolts...

 

[RoseMontague]

Not as mod:

I think it very likely that the appeals will fail.

This opinion has not, and will not, affect any moderation I have done or will do in this thread.

Do you think the appeals will fail because of the facts of the case? What is your opinion on guilt or innocence?

 

[platonov]

Not as mod:

I think it very likely that the appeals will fail.

This opinion has not, and will not, affect any moderation I have done or will do in this thread.

That's how I see it also - but time will tell.

OT And, may I say, that's a very handsome dog in your avatar