Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[HumanityBlues]

I don't recall these textbook assertions of which you speak. Citation please?

I literally posted a link to a textbook. That link was then reposted just today.

 

[Katody Matrass]

Yes, Katody....stop responding to me, put me on ignore! Save yourself!!!

Oh, no I love too much the way you're always forthcoming with citations and sources. Who would teach me how to be a real sceptic ?

 

[Katody Matrass]

I literally posted a link to a textbook. That link was then reposted just today.

Oh, my! Fuji has put me on ignore

 

[Chris_Halkides]

the raw data for the negative controls might be part of the story

I don't think it was Stefanoni who swabbed the small bathroom (where the mixed traces were) but rather Brocci.

Concerning the missing/not given/held back raw data, do you know which of the items tested the data was not turned over? There were some items which Tagliabracci said he didn't receive work reports on after the resuming of court in September 2009, however I don't believe the knife or clasp were included in this list.

christianahannah,

Charlie Wilkes may have been referring to mixed DNA elsewhere (Filomena's room?), but I would have to find it in the first continuation thread to be certain. I have not heard that any raw data files were turned over. Some, such as negative controls, might not correspond to any single piece of evidence.

 

[theRealBob]

Here is a repeat of a post from a particularly good poster on another forum...

from Translators of the CNN...interesting, so now we get an update on the "excuse for not recording the interrogation"....per Mignini.

12’51’’ CNN: Why wasn’t there any video or transcript of those hours?

13’00’’ Mignini: Look, that’s, I was at the police station, and all the…let’s say…when I made investigations in my own office, I taped them. I taped them, we have an apparatus for that, and I transcribed them. For example, there’s the interrogation of the English girls, Meredith’s friends, it was all taped. The interrogations of Amanda in prison were taped, and then transcribed, and we have the transcripts of… But in a police station, at the very moment of the investigation it isn’t done, not with respect to Amanda or anyone else. Also because, I can tell you, today, even then, but today in particular, we have budget problems, budget problems that are not insignificant, which do not allow us to transcribe. Video is very important…I completely agree with you that videotaping is extremely important, we should be able to have a video recording of every statement [verbale di assunzione di informazioni] made Because what is said is very important, but it’s maybe even more important how it is said, the non-verbal language. Because from the non-verbal language you can [missing words].

15’14’’ Mignini: It isn’t only Amanda, it’s always like that. But I wanted to say that I agree with him that it’s fundamental, only there’s a problem, especially when the witnesses are so numerous, and in fact just recording, I mean recording the sound, isn’t enough according to me.

15’38’’ CNN: It doesn’t cost much, he says.

15’40’’ Mignini: Well we have significant budget problems, that’s what it is.

 

[LondonJohn]

Just call him unattractive and you can declare yourself victorious!

Huh? The reference was to the quality (or otherwise) of that poster's arguments and rebuttals. His physical or emotional attributes are of no interest, and indeed an attack on them would probably constitute a personal attack.

 

[LondonJohn]

If your interpretation is correct then in the original trial Sollecito's silence against those who testified against him carried weight towards his guilt in the eyes of the court and jury.

No. Someone needs to explain to you again the difference between these two types or participant in a court trial:

DEFENDANT

WITNESS

 

[HumanityBlues]

Huh? The reference was to the quality (or otherwise) of that poster's arguments and rebuttals. His physical or emotional attributes are of no interest, and indeed an attack on them would probably constitute a personal attack.

I actually wasn't referring to Alt F4 personally. I have no idea what she looks like or anything about her other than the fact that she lives in New York. I was responding to something she said about middle aged men being obsessed with the case and speaking of another dichotomy I noticed.

 

[Fuji]

Oh, my! Fuji has put me on ignore

Why do you say this? Where have I ever given this consideration to be the case? I replied to you several times this very day!

 

[LondonJohn]

I'm trying to stage a murder-rape here tonight. Can you please give me the force necessary, in newtons, dynes, or what have you, to produce a nosebleed (and of course, the concurrent visible bruising)? Thanks in advance.

Well, if you can conjure up a blow that's sufficient to rupture the blood vessels lining the inside of the nose (causing a nosebleed), but insufficient to rupture the finer capillaries and arterioles that lie closer to the impact of the blow within the skin covering the nose (causing visible bruising and swelling), then you're a proper magician!

But do let me know how you get on. I trust that you'll be performing this experiment on yourself

 

[Katody Matrass]

Why do you say this? Where have I ever given this consideration to be the case? I replied to you several times this very day!

Oh relax, I was joking

It's because you missed my post.
(the one with the links to the links to those textbooks)

 

[Fuji]

I literally posted a link to a textbook. That link was then reposted just today.

What was the gist of the textbook assertion? Surely, it's not claiming that it's routine for burglars to leave unflushed turds in the toilet bowls of crime scenes?

 

[LondonJohn]

I actually wasn't referring to Alt F4 personally. I have no idea what she looks like or anything about her other than the fact that she lives in New York. I was responding to something she said about middle aged men being obsessed with the case and speaking of another dichotomy I noticed.

I know - I was replying to Alt+F4's flippant comment that bore no relation to the post of yours that she was responding to.

 

[Justinian2]

I previously wrote:

My God is truth, logic and natural rights. Justinian maxims are also part of my belief system.

My anti-God would then be the belief system that has persecuted Amanda Knox and her family.

And the minions of my anti-God would be the posters at the PMF and TJMK and the cop roaches.​

Let me add to the minion list. I think government minions ignore petitions for better justice and police work. Smaller minions help squelch those pleas. Perhaps they think that because government doesn't talk about something means it doesn't exist.

HUGE PROBLEM. PERHAPS THE PROBLEM.

Other minions of my anti-God would be the people that validate and encourage government ignorance.

Did government apologize for Waco? I didn't hear one. Just having a superficial hearing in a court doesn't constitute an appology in my books. The courts are not official spokesmen for government; they are loose canon.

Yes the Italian police were super brutal as I indicated yesterday in a post we are forced to ignore.

 

[shuttlt]

Here is a repeat of a post from a particularly good poster on another forum...

from Translators of the CNN...interesting, so now we get an update on the "excuse for not recording the interrogation"....per Mignini.

12’51’’ CNN: Why wasn’t there any video or transcript of those hours?

13’00’’ Mignini: Look, that’s, I was at the police station, and all the…let’s say…when I made investigations in my own office, I taped them. I taped them, we have an apparatus for that, and I transcribed them. For example, there’s the interrogation of the English girls, Meredith’s friends, it was all taped. The interrogations of Amanda in prison were taped, and then transcribed, and we have the transcripts of… But in a police station, at the very moment of the investigation it isn’t done, not with respect to Amanda or anyone else. Also because, I can tell you, today, even then, but today in particular, we have budget problems, budget problems that are not insignificant, which do not allow us to transcribe. Video is very important…I completely agree with you that videotaping is extremely important, we should be able to have a video recording of every statement [verbale di assunzione di informazioni] made Because what is said is very important, but it’s maybe even more important how it is said, the non-verbal language. Because from the non-verbal language you can [missing words].

15’14’’ Mignini: It isn’t only Amanda, it’s always like that. But I wanted to say that I agree with him that it’s fundamental, only there’s a problem, especially when the witnesses are so numerous, and in fact just recording, I mean recording the sound, isn’t enough according to me.

15’38’’ CNN: It doesn’t cost much, he says.

15’40’’ Mignini: Well we have significant budget problems, that’s what it is.

For once the meaning seems fairly unambiguous. Is what he says true or false?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

the conspiracy against Willingham

That's because you don't appear to understand what a conspiracy theory actually is.

Let me put it this way: would it surprise you to find out politicians had made a mistake and then decided to cover it up? Or a corporation really needed to hide something that could prove embarrassing? Or that a military disaster had occurred and they'd decided they didn't want anyone to know? That would be a 'widespread conspiracy' in the strictest sense, but it would hardly require a conspiracy theory.

Kaosium,

Good points. Let's also take a look at Todd Willingham's case for a moment. Almost a dozen reviews of his case were done before he was executed. Within the last year or two, Governor Rick Perry called him a monster. Does that mean that all of the judges and Rick Perry were in a conspiracy to frame him for arson? Let's take Governor Perry. He had previously failed to grant a stay of execution in the face of the first of several expert reports (from Dr. Gerald Hurst, IIRC) to challenge the finding of arson, right before Willingham's execution. It is not surprising that he would stick to the Willingham-is-guilty line, instead of admitting a mistake just before his reelection bid. Nor is it surprising that he would replace several members of a forensics commission, which stalled the reexamination of the case before the election.

Was Governor Perry part of a conspiracy? No, just a politician looking out for number one. As for the judicial reviews of Willingham's case, most of them took place prior to a series of reports on the inadequacies of the original arson investigation.

 

[HumanityBlues]

What was the gist of the textbook assertion? Surely, it's not claiming that it's routine for burglars to leave unflushed turds in the toilet bowls of crime scenes?

Why don't you just read it for yourself and then move the goalposts like you were planning to do anyways?

 

[Alt+F4]

No. Someone needs to explain to you again the difference between these two types or participant in a court trial:

DEFENDANT

WITNESS

Both a defendent and a witness has the right to protect themselves aganist self-incrimination. What don't you understand about this?

 

[theRealBob]

For once the meaning seems fairly unambiguous. Is what he says true or false?

I would rarely be tempted to err on the side of true with anything from the prosecution in this case.

With Mignini you could usually just substitute mad for true or false most of the time and come to a reasonable conclusion.

 

[Fuji]

Why don't you just read it for yourself and then move the goalposts like you were planning to do anyways?

Why don't you just supply the reference and your own interpretation instead of making yet another pointless ad hominem?