Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Travis]

Clayton what does the FDA do that makes you think they are in the pocket of Big Pharma? And I mean what actions by the FDA makes you think this?

 

[abaddon]

They are if you want your child to attend school.

That's bullplop. I recall a few years ago having a debate with my wife about vaccines for our kids. We had to choose whether to accept or decline the vaccine. point being we had to CHOOSE whether or not to vaccinate.

 

[Clayton Moore]

That's bullplop. I recall a few years ago having a debate with my wife about vaccines for our kids. We had to choose whether to accept or decline the vaccine. point being we had to CHOOSE whether or not to vaccinate.

What does that have to with having to show a record of your child's shots to the school nurse to make sure all the required shots have been received?

 

[Clayton Moore]

That's bullplop. I recall a few years ago having a debate with my wife about vaccines for our kids. We had to choose whether to accept or decline the vaccine. point being we had to CHOOSE whether or not to vaccinate.

Care to elucidate on that debate?

 

[abaddon]

What does that have to with having to show a record of your child's shots to the school nurse to make sure all the required shots have been received?

Ah, you think there is nothing outside the US of everything.
One of those. Right.

 

[Travis]

*cough*

clayton what does the fda do that makes you think they are in the pocket of big pharma? And i mean what actions by the fda makes you think this?

 

[abaddon]

Care to elucidate on that debate?

Sure. The myth was at the time that the MMR vaccine combo could cause autism. The debate was do it or not. Said debate was carried in favour of vaccination by science, and also by the vacuous anti-vax arguments. So my two beautiful daughters were vaccinated with, I believe, a 5 fold vaccine.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Ah, you think there is nothing outside the US of everything.
One of those. Right.

That's why, I presume, he didn't have anything to say about why NICE recommends MMR vaccination despite their interests being very different to those of the pharmaceutical companies. Since NICE is outside the USA, it doesn't exist.

Dave

 

[excaza]

They are if you want your child to attend school.

So home school your kid.

 

[Travis]

He'll have to home school his kids because sooner or later they'll enter biology and physics classes that will teach them stuff that contradicts his worldview.


Or grandchildren in Clayton's case.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Sure. The myth was at the time that the MMR vaccine combo could cause autism. The debate was do it or not. Said debate was carried in favour of vaccination by science, and also by the vacuous anti-vax arguments. So my two beautiful daughters were vaccinated with, I believe, a 5 fold vaccine.

So you chanced it knowing you could get the vaccines individually a couple months apart? Insurance wouldn't pay for it?

So you believe their should be no childhood illnesses?

And 20 vaccines or more is absolutely a good thing for a baby under 2 years old with an immature immune system? And who the medical community says shouldn't take an aspirin before adulthood?

 

[abaddon]

So you chanced it knowing you could get the vaccines individually a couple months apart? Insurance wouldn't pay for it?

No chance was involved, just science.

So you believe their should be no childhood illnesses?

Where did I or anyone else say that?

And 20 vaccines or more is absolutely a good thing for a baby under 2 years old with an immature immune system? And who the medical community says shouldn't take an aspirin before adulthood?

Yup, vaccines are a good thing. Aspirin is not a vaccine. What's your point?

 

[Clayton Moore]

No chance was involved, just science.


Where did I or anyone else say that?


Yup, vaccines are a good thing. Aspirin is not a vaccine. What's your point?

I'm not allowed to criticize any posts so I can't answer you.

 

[Supermac]

And 20 vaccines or more is absolutely a good thing for a baby under 2 years old with an immature immune system?

Babies need the protection given by vaccines because they have an immature immune system.

 

[twinstead]

I'm not allowed to criticize any posts so I can't answer you.

You're not allowed personal attacks. You can criticize an argument to your heart's content.


Oh, and did I miss your answer to Dave Rogers question, namely why NICE recommends MMR vaccination despite their interests being very different to those of the pharmaceutical companies?

 

[Travis]

AHEM!

*cough*

Clayton what does the FDA do that makes you think they are in the pocket of Big Pharma? And I mean what actions by the FDA makes you think this?

I mean seriously.

 

[kookbreaker]

I'm not allowed to criticize any posts so I can't answer you.

Where did you get that idea? You can criticize his arguments as much as you can. Just leave the personal jabs out of it.

 

[Clayton Moore]

You're not allowed personal attacks. You can criticize an argument to your heart's content.


Oh, and did I miss your answer to Dave Rogers question, namely why NICE recommends MMR vaccination despite their interests being very different to those of the pharmaceutical companies?

I made no personal attack.

 

[tsig]

I'm not allowed to criticize any posts so I can't answer you.

You're in luck, we have a cross vacant >>>> T

 

[Dave Rogers]

I made no personal attack.

Good, then you're free to answer my question.

Dave