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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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whatthebutlersaw said:
Yeah. And leave me stranded in the woods when he can't take the poo smell anymore.
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No, he's totally into that. That's why he fell afoul of the queen's vice laws, she believed in running a clean state for moral people. He tried fauning upon her, but she didn't know witch way to turn so she had him stoned.

Ironically, the queen herself was later exposed indulging in a practice she called "Turkish Delight" with a decidedly underaged English boy.
 
DC said:
how about answering the question?
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Go back and see what you were replying to and the somewhat incoherent question you posed (ie disconnect between the 2, a usual tactic employed by you):
do you think it is a good way to place parts of that supposed security wall on disputted land?
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I'm going on a limb here, but I take it 'good way' meant that building a security barrier along defensible 'borders' (not official or permanent that is) is not a 'good way' to mending the supposed peace negotiations between Israel and the PA.

If this were the question, I would say its totally irrelevant to peace negotiations due to the PA/Hamas schism, the continued calls for Israel's destruction, be it by jihad or passive reluctance to force Israel to allow in 3-7 million self-proclaimed 'refugees' into Israel proper, and the continued rewriting of history as (recently) seen here, yet again:

Netanyahu calls Abbas op-ed 'callous falsification of fact'

On top of the usual deflecting you do by posing these somewhat incoherent questions, I find this use of the security barrier, its route (and re-routing), just as irrelevant, and actually used as an excuse, to ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as Abbas and the rest of the PA squabbling on about how building housing complexes in J'lem and existing 'settlement' boundaries is an impedement to peace.

I do, however, feel that you've known this for quite a while. So I answered your question, yet again.

Any other clarifications needed?

On a side-note, I can't believe Mycroft called you an 'objective neutral' regarding this topic. Far from it. Especially the usual crickets with that Ben Gurion quote AUP hacked up and delivered on the propaganda platter....
 
Skeptic said:
Except that is not what I do.

I think most regulars here know whom I meant, and their posting history indeed betrays them.
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Yes, you do. Many others too. Anyone who crticises Israel gets lumped in with the "useful idiots". Anyone who defends muslims at all gets labelled a "xxxxx" sympathiser.

Yet you do not have the guts to prove it and name them? Smells like something to me.
 
bigjelmapro said:
On a side-note, I can't believe Mycroft called you an 'objective neutral' regarding this topic. Far from it.
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I think Mycroft's point isn't that DC's views are necessarily correct, but that he is usually "objective" in the sense that he doesn't hold Israel to a double, unfair standard.
 
The Jerusalem Post's take on the latest "nakba day" events on the Syrian border.

This particular quote is amusing, in a sad way:

UN peacekeeping missions, positioned in Lebanon for precisely these situations, proved themselves to be completely, predictably, useless.
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There is a saying in Israel: "He's as useless as an UN observer".
 
mortimer said:
I have the Holocaust denier and izziehater on ignore, but I couldn't pass up this claim of his.
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Rember the Liberty!
Never forgive. Never forget.​

Hamas is indeed the government in Gaza. They are a political party in the West Bank, but they overtook Gaza in a bloody coup. They are the government in Gaza, not just a political party.
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Your assertion, which not even the professional liars for zion in Israel claim, does not make it a fact.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Along a voided armistice line (1949 green line between Israel-Jordan). Not a de facto border since none was agreed to. The route of the barrier has been changed a number of times as well.


Even in the worst case scenario that the security barrier goes over this supposed line, how is this apartheid again?
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The ICC issued an advisory opinion that the apartheid wall is criminal because it is built outside of Israel.


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boyntonstu said:
If an intruder is breaking into your house, and your dog bites him as he is halfway through your screen door, are you responsible for his injuries?

Some folks seem to think that it is OK to break in and not OK for your dog to bite them.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110517/lf_afp/israelpalestiniansconflictlabourdogs

"Workers say the use of dogs to hunt down anyone trying to enter Israel illegally is a new phenomenon which has only been occurring for about two months."

Shoot to kill illegals a better option than dogs?

How would you react to a breaker inner halfway into your house?
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It would be no different from the US shooting to kill at the border with Mexico or Canada for that matter.

It also justifies shooting to kill anyone who enters Palestine. And it justifies killing all those Israelis who have illegally entered Syria and Lebanon.

Imagine the cries of "they are genociding us" that would rise to the heavens.
 
a_unique_person said:
Since he specifically denied that they should be able to do anything against international law, which includes destroying Israel, I think you need to stop the circle jerk of just inventing whatever you need to make yourselves feel good.
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Is this the same international law that keeps Syria and Iran from arming Hizbullah? Hamas? That kept N. Korea from developing nukes?

:rolleyes:
 
bigjelmapro said:
The security barrier goes along a route and terrain which is defendable. It snakes over and back the green line to boot.

Anything else that needs clarification?
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It would not take you much research at all using Israeli sources to learn why the meter pegged.
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WildCat said:
Is this the same international law that keeps Syria and Iran from arming Hizbullah? Hamas? That kept N. Korea from developing nukes?

:rolleyes:
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ironic..............
israel has never signed any treaties about nukes, and refuses to admit they have them.
the world's worst kept secret.
no one fusses over that.

and then there is the sampson option:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.[1] Israel refuses to admit it has nuclear weapons or to describe how it would use them, an official policy of nuclear ambiguity, also known as "nuclear opacity." This has made it difficult for anyone outside the Israeli government to definitively describe its true nuclear policy, while still allowing Israel to influence the perceptions, strategies and actions of other governments.[2]
 
bikerdruid said:
ironic..............
israel has never signed any treaties about nukes, and refuses to admit they have them.
the world's worst kept secret.
no one fusses over that.
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Fusses over what? Israel not lying about their nukes by promising not to develop them? North Korea certainly did, but that's not really a problem for you, is it?
 
Skeptic said:
The Jerusalem Post's take on the latest "nakba day" events on the Syrian border.

This particular quote is amusing, in a sad way:



There is a saying in Israel: "He's as useless as an UN observer".
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Hey, the UN forces are world-class observers! They are so well trained they don't flinch from their observing even if children are being killed in front of them.
 
mortimer said:
Fusses over what? Israel not lying about their nukes by promising not to develop them? North Korea certainly did, but that's not really a problem for you, is it?
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WildCat said:
Is it? How are human rights in Israel vs. N. Korea?

Syria? Iran?

And which do you spend your dial-up bandwidth fuming over?
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interesting that neither of you bit on the 'samsom option'.
it's kinda the elephant in the room.
i think is is worthy of discussion.
 
The Zionist regime will end

Palestinians in Lebanon, at the lonely end of the Arab uprisings

The fight with the Lebanese army highlights the complicated journey Palestinian refugees must take to achieve their rights. Not only this, but yesterday there were only a handful of international journalists covering the important demonstrations, and many commentators don't see the refugees' struggle as legitimate. Never is a refugee's right to return to the lands he/she was forced to flee brought into question, except when that refugee is a Palestinian. Often the fate of the Israeli regime is raised when considering the rights of Palestinian refugees. Yet when Egyptians, Libyans and others took to the streets in the Arab world, it wasn't a concern for the justice-supporting international community what became of the regimes they battled against. In many cases, internationals have even joined in calls for their ousting.
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