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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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Of course. Should the Jews do anything but sit back and let themselves be attacked, it's their fault. But even then I am sure it would be their fault.
 
bikerdruid said:
so, next week, if hamas were to nuke tel aviv, we would be discussing it in the "General Israel/Palestine discussion thread"?
riiiight.:rolleyes:
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Because shooting a handful of potential suicide bombers is exactly the same as nuking a major city in your world?

Or is that just when jews do it?
 
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I've seen the photos of the protesters and they didn't look like they were wearing explosives,
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Are you an experienced observer of suicide bombers?

Can you show us the photos of the protestors and identify for us which features that suicide bombers have that did not appear in the photos you saw?
 
i posted about this earlier today.
it was hidden away in the general israel/palestine thread.
the israeli apologists are hiding that which embarrasses them.
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Is there better proof of the evil bias of the forum than moving comments about Israeli/Palestinian clashes to the thread about Israel and Palestine?
 
bikerdruid said:
please list the many countries with a jewish minority that i dislike.
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Israel.

But of course it has nothing to do with hating Jews. It's just your burning concern for human rights and against armed folks gunning down protestors.

Which is why you commented so often and condemned so violently the Syrian government that just killed hundreds. Or Hamas butchering Fatah supporters. Or...

... oh wait, you didn't.

No Jews to blame.
 
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Anger makes people say what they really think. Bikerdruid, angry that a thread of his was moved, invents an evil moderator's conspiracy to hide the TRUTH about how evil Israel is.

This is nothing new. Another poster on this forum, a while back, as usually OUTRAGED about something Israel did, ranted about "the Jews" in a few posts, forgetting to replace "Jew" with the code-word "zionist". Yet another poster, in another moment of anger of being accused of antisemitism just because he openly supports genocidal terrorist organizations, blurted out that, while he thinks Israel should be destroyed, there are "many possible reasons" for that, not necessarily hatred of Jews.

Shows rather well the antisemitic conspiracy theorist type of thinking that really underlies the thought of some "anti-zionists" here.
 
A quick note about the "nakba": this satirical video, in Hebrew with English subtitles (near the end, starting at 5:41) satirizes it as "sinakba" ("sin'ah" [hatred] + "nakba" [disaster]) with tear-jerking interviews of former Nazis who are shocked that their disaster at the end of WWII is ignored: "Within days, they saw their dream of killing all the Jews collapse in front of their eyes"...

 
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On one hand what did those protester expect ? If I udnerstand the BBC report correctly they went into a border crossing and tried to cross thru by force (by that I mean they were not allowed to cross, not that they used weapon or tank). They should have expected a riposte in kind, I mean Israel is not well known for taking silk gloves when it feels attacked.

On the other hand this is the country which feel justified to use targeted assassination using missiles strikes killing many civilian at the same time as the target, so I would not be too surprised if it turns out they used a tad bit more force than necessary.

I don't think anybody on this forum can really conclude positively for now what really happened, but in my opinion the protester were definitively stupid or their goal was from the start to provocate Israel into a violent reaction. Just a feeling though, no evidence.
 
Aepervius said:
On one hand what did those protester expect ? If I udnerstand the BBC report correctly they went into a border crossing and tried to cross thru by force (by that I mean they were not allowed to cross, not that they used weapon or tank). They should have expected a riposte in kind, I mean Israel is not well known for taking silk gloves when it feels attacked.

On the other hand this is the country which feel justified to use targeted assassination using missiles strikes killing many civilian at the same time as the target, so I would not be too surprised if it turns out they used a tad bit more force than necessary.

I don't think anybody on this forum can really conclude positively for now what really happened, but in my opinion the protester were definitively stupid or their goal was from the start to provocate Israel into a violent reaction. Just a feeling though, no evidence.
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Sure. Your take seems accurate. The question as always is how the United States reacts to an Israel-OT humbug. As in, obviously the US is not only going to not sanction Israel or insist Israel draw back, but the US will also prevernt any UN votes and anything else even remotely criticizing Israel for their actions.

At this point...let's say those who crossed the border to protest were all terrorists with bomb-jackets. At the aftermath, how could anyone objective tell the difference between them and any other nonaggressive random protester? Israel would seem to bomb/shoot each equally. And each with equal lack of caring for their Big Brother United States.
 
Huffwatch's take. One need not agree with its "the Huffpo lies about everything" to note that, yes, there is obvious distortion (as usual) in the anti-Israeli direction. Especially disturbing is the kind of comments they approve after moderation.
 
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Dragoonster said:
Israel would seem to bomb/shoot each equally.
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Not really. The Israeli troops shot 12 out of hundreds of people who crossed the border fence deliberately to confront them. That hardly seems a case of "random shooting" or "equally shooting". It is the troops shooting so as to not be overwhelmed.

One of the risks is that those folks were terrorist bombers, I suppose; but that's hardly the main reason. This simply isn't a "nonagressive protest"; it's (at least technically) an act of war. Certain it was planned deliberately that way by the Syrian organizers.

Things would -- and are -- different when you're talking about people who are merely crossing the border individually, such as Sudanese who cross the southern Israeli border in search of work. They are very rarely, indeed practically never, shot at (I think there were one or two cases where troops were surprised by them or thought they might be armed and shot in self-defense), despite the fact that 10,000+ crossed the border over the years.

What we have here is something quite different: a coordinated attempt by a mob of hundreds to run the border and overwhelm the troops. What did they expect?

Once more we have here the usual double standard: Israel "has the right to defend itself", only any way it does it is wrong, of course, by a curious coincidence.
 
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