General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[Thunder]

But it won't happen, since Abbas and his parliament refuse to recognize a Jewish state and refuse to give up on the "right of return" -- that is, the right to destroy Israel in stages.

nobody expects or wants 5 million Palestinians to live in Israel.

not even 1 million Palestinian refugees want such a thing.

they've done polls on these things, you know. most Palestinians want compensation for lost property instead. only a small minority actually want to move to Israel.

The Palestinian Right of Return, will probably be exercised by 100,000 or so Palestinian refugees. This is no demographic threat.

 

[bikerdruid]

Can someone who says your very existence is a disaster be a good neighbour?

israel is not a good neighbour.
why would you expect what you do not give?

 

[MG1962]

Nice move by Syria to take awareness away from their own internal issues

 

[Pardalis]

Jordan was carved out of land that for the most part was NOT part of historic Palestine.

Yes it is, Jordan is Palestine, two thirds of it.

Strangely, the Arabs living west of the river are the ones called "Palestinians", and not the others.

 

[MG1962]

evidence?

According to the article linked Lebanese forces fired on the protestors, millitants, terrorist, disidants, refugees (just cross out the applicable per your politics) first when a 1000 of them started destroying the border fence.

Did Israel over react...probably. Were the Agent Provocatures aiming for such a reaction...yeppers

 

[Thunder]

Yes it is, Jordan is Palestine, two thirds of it.

Jordan was never part of the UN approved British Mandate for Palestine. The section east of the Jordan river was seperated off into Jordan before the First High Commissioner took office.

but if you want to be silly, you could say that Jordan was part of "Palestine", as per the Sykes Agreement, for a little less than two years.

Two...years. Call me unimpressed.

 

[Pardalis]

Jordan was never part of the UN approved British Mandate for Palestine. The section east of the Jordan river was seperated off into Jordan before the First High Commissioner took office.

but if you want to be silly, you could say that Jordan was part of "Palestine", as per the Sykes Agreement, for a little less than two years.

Two...years. Call me unimpressed.

So really the word "Palestine" is meaningless. It keeps changing over time, according to ever-changing borders.

So before they get a "right of return", they should make up their minds about what they should be returning to.

 

[geni]

evidence?

It does appear that a large number of unarmed individuals entered golan heights. While it lacks proper cordination and the numbers are a bit small (isreal claims thousands given the size of the syrian population syria could afford to commit 100 times that number) it does look like an attempt to copy the moroccan invasion of western sahara although I would seriously question if it was designed to succeed.

 

[Thunder]

So really the word "Palestine" is meaningless. It keeps changing over time, according to ever-changing borders.

Yes, it is just as meaningless as "Israel".

So before they get a "right of return", they should make up their minds about what they should be returning to.

they want to return or get compensation for their former homes, properties, and businesses that they were exiled from by Israel in 1948 and 1967.

 

[Pardalis]

Yes, it is just as meaningless as "Israel".

No actually, Israel is a real country.

 

[geni]

So really the word "Palestine" is meaningless. It keeps changing over time, according to ever-changing borders.

By that standard so is poland. Want to try making that argument in warsaw?

So before they get a "right of return", they should make up their minds about what they should be returning to.

The right of return relates to individual families and they would be returning to the villages they originaly came from.

 

[Thunder]

No actually, Israel is a real country.

Palestine was a real territory. It was the official name for the land between the Sea and the River for 26 years. It was also the name used by the Ottomans for that land for many centuries. The Romans also called it "Palestine" since 135 AD.

 

[Captain.Sassy]

Nice move by Syria to take awareness away from their own internal issues

Rather.

Quite the feat Assad pulled off- even managed to organize his puppets in Egypt to dance to his maniacal will:

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=73575

 

[Thunder]

Arabs don't like Israel. Palestinians don't like Israel.

are we supposed to be surprised?

 

[Pardalis]

The right of return relates to individual families and they would be returning to the villages they originaly came from.

Does this right extend to every dispossessed people around the world, or just the Palestinians?

 

[Pardalis]

they want to return or get compensation for their former homes, properties, and businesses that they were exiled from by Israel in 1948 and 1967.

They might have created new lives for themselves, created new homes and started new businesses in their new countries of residence like every other immigrant around the world, but something prevents them from moving on.

 

[Thunder]

Does this right extend to every dispossessed people around the world, or just the Palestinians?

according to the UN Charter, all peoples have the right to leave their land and come back.

If Jews have the right to "return" to a land that our ancestors may have inhabited 2,000 years ago, surely Palestinians who were born there should have the right to return....or at least be compensated for lost property.

Its only common sense.

 

[Thunder]

They might have created new lives for themselves, created new homes and started new businesses in their new countries of residence like every other immigrant around the world, but something prevents them from moving on.

are you suggesting that refugees from persecution & war, that have established new lives in new countries, have no right to sue for lost property? somehow such an act should be frowned upon?

hmmm...

 

[Virus]

Another bum-headed Arab scheme designed to get people killed and get media attention.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

shooting unarmed protestors is now ok, as long as it is israel doing the shooting.

Can Israeli soldiers somehow tell if a foreigner approaching their border illegally is wearing a suicide bomb vets or not?

It's better in cases like these that they warn first, and if the agressors don't turn back to then open fire before they get within the potential blast radius.

EDIT: BTW, I've reported the thread. The OP is not special. He does not deserve his own thread every time he wants to bash jews and/or Israel when there is already an existing thread on this topic.