Clear evidence that 9/11 was an inside job

[leftysergeant]

The news anchor said that the plane folded back its wings at impact and became like a piercing dart, and that's why the hole in the Pentagon was so small. LMAO.

The wings clearly sheared off outboard of the engines, to judge by the marks on the wall. That would look, from some angles, like "folding back" because the fuselage would keep on going.

 

[Anders Lindman]

The wings clearly sheared off outboard of the engines, to judge by the marks on the wall. That would look, from some angles, like "folding back" because the fuselage would keep on going.

I haven't studied the Pentagon incident much. The engines are much sturdier than the wings themselves. Surely the wings would splash across the facade while the engines would be able to penetrate at least a bit deeper, depending on what kind of wall the plane hit at first.

 

[000063]

I haven't studied the Pentagon incident much. The engines are much sturdier than the wings themselves. Surely the wings would splash across the facade while the engines would be able to penetrate at least a bit deeper, depending on what kind of wall the plane hit at first.

Speculation. You're assuming, not asking. You might be correct, FAIK, but you're still asserting hypotheticals as actuals.

 

[Craig4]

I haven't studied the Pentagon incident much. The engines are much sturdier than the wings themselves. Surely the wings would splash across the facade while the engines would be able to penetrate at least a bit deeper, depending on what kind of wall the plane hit at first.

Then perhaps you should refrain from opining on the subject until you do. Not al opinions are equally valid and not all points of view are worthy of debate.

 

[FatFreddy88]

Sorry to be away for so long. I've had a busy work week.

The angle between the lines is about 140°. The apparant length of the plane would not get shortened by 20%, as you assume without argument or prove, but by 1-sin(140°) = 36%

The distance from camera to far edge of protruding part is about 65mm, to the line of sight (where the blue and red line cross) 75mm. That would further reduce the apparent length of the plane by 1-65/75 = 13%.

Now, if building height of 9.5mm corresponds to 77 feet in real world, then the length of a 757-223, which is 155 feet, would correspond to 9.5mm * 155/77 = 19mm
These 19mm get shortened due to angle by 36% -> 12.24mm, and further shortened due to distance by 13% -> 10.6mm.

This nicely corresponds to what I measured.

My approach has a number of sources of error: imprecise measuring, flight path and line of sight only approximately, etc.
Still, I am satisfied that you result "maximum of two thirds the length of a 757" is imprecise. Your sources of error are more substantial than mine: You underestimate the effect of angle, and disregard the difference in distance.

This link where I did the measurements comes up blank.
http://www.flugplatzsiedlung.de/Pent_gate.pdf

Here's the picture on another forum.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...ssage-non-9-11-truthers-3.html#post1059427768

I did those measurements years ago when I was posting here.
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/48507-911-pentagon?p=891577#post891577

I just did them again today and they came out a little different; maybe I just remembered it wrong. The point on the Pentagon wall that's as far from the camera as the place where the yellow line meets the red line is about a third of the way further down the wall. In order to see how long the craft would be if it were at a ninety degree angle, I just compared the lengths of the red line from where it touches the yellow line to the wall and the distance from that point straight to the wall. The difference was 27.6 percent. I took trig back in 1979 but I can't remember enough of it to use trig to find the figure but just measuring the different distances will give a close enough figure for our purposes.

In my full page blow-up of this picture...
http://0911.voila.net/index3.htm

...I measured the height of the pentagon at that point further down the wall. It was 16 millimeters (it was hard to estimate but there'd be hardly any difference). The space between the left side of the box and the tail is 20 millimeters. 20 millimeters increased by 27.6 percent is 25.5 millimeters. In order to be twice as long as the Pentagon is high at that point it would have to be 32 millimeters long.

The nose of the craft doesn't protrude on the left side of the box. We don't know how far to the right the nose actually is so this is only the maximum possible length.

The crash site seems to be consistent with what would happen if a small craft fired a missile just before hitting the Pentagon.
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlesMeyer3March2006.html

Here's a link to some more stuff.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...message-non-9-11-truthers.html#post1059425552

I'd just post it all here but I've been told not to post long lists of info.

 

[beachnut]

Friends, Romans, countrymen...

Truthers, such as the jolly lads posting in this thread, seem to me far from interested in considering evidence or rebuttals to their posts. It's all about spreading seemingly plausible ideas to the masses. Self-important li'l anarchists, each sad one of them.

... eternal failure, unable to figure out they are spreading delusions.

 

[EventHorizon]

And I think we can add the word 'clear' to the long list of words that truthers don't know or understand the meaning of.

 

[Corsair 115]

S...I measured the height of the pentagon at that point further down the wall. It was 16 millimeters (it was hard to estimate but there'd be hardly any difference). The space between the left side of the box and the tail is 20 millimeters. 20 millimeters increased by 27.6 percent is 25.5 millimeters. In order to be twice as long as the Pentagon is high at that point it would have to be 32 millimeters long.

Have you ever bothered to consider the margin of error involved in your measuring exercise? Depending on the photo, a single pixel could represent dozens of feet, if not more. Unless you're a photogrammetry expert, your measurement attempts are effectively worthless.

The crash site seems to be consistent with what would happen if a small craft fired a missile just before hitting the Pentagon.

Except for the fact that a missile looks nothing like a civilian passenger jet. Not even the most aviation-challenged layperson would confuse a missile with a passenger jet.

 

[sadhatter]

You know, that struck me as odd too. With that huge honking satellite dish you would think they would have gotten him a nice wall-size plasma screen to watch himself on.You know that the jihad business is hitting on hard times when all the Sheik gets is a 1980's tube set

Maybe osama was just a video game nerd that likes old systems? You just don't get the same vibe playing atari on a good t.v.

 

[FatFreddy88]

Originally Posted by FatFreddy88 View Post
The crash site seems to be consistent with what would happen if a small craft fired a missile just before hitting the Pentagon.

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Except for the fact that a missile looks nothing like a civilian passenger jet. Not even the most aviation-challenged layperson would confuse a missile with a passenger jet.

You seem to have missed the point. I was referring to the crash site–not the craft in flight.

Please give your analysis of these analyses.
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlesMeyer3March2006.html

 

[beachnut]

This was answered years ago...



The "17 foot wide hole" is answered and placed in context visually here. Answered years ago.


A 9/11 truther site of all places, deals with lots of your Pentagon woes, including this. They've had that up for years too.

Use the search function; as has been pointed out these claims have been dealt with long before you even considered making this thread,

If you still believe in this immaterial, then find another venue. You're unlikely to find anyone whose real patient with this pentagon no planes fiction either because there's so much that's already been said, and/or nothing new to add. That said, there is absolutely no requirement to go over this anymore.

The best 911 truth can do.

Why does FatFreddy88 sit there, he claims all this evidence, he should have a Pulitzer Prize, but he is not taking action. He has no clue he is posting delusional nonsense.
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt

911 truth lies have failed, but that does not stop them from being like Tim McVeigh.

“Mark Roberts deserves to die a traitors [sic] death for trying to suppress 9/11 families from seeking the Truth.”–"Pilots for Truth" founder, and ex-commercial pilot, Robert Balsamo​

 

[MIKILLINI]

Witnesses can be planted. That would have to be part of a plan this large.

Any conspiracy theorist says that..... "Can be" and "would have to be" does not give anything compelling to overshadow the available evidence..That is all.

 

[FatFreddy88]

A 9/11 truther site of all places, deals with lots of your Pentagon woes, including this. They've had that up for years too.

Use the search function; as has been pointed out these claims have been dealt with long before you even considered making this thread,

If you still believe in this immaterial, then find another venue. You're unlikely to find anyone whose real patient with this pentagon no planes fiction either because there's so much that's already been said, and/or nothing new to add. That said, there is absolutely no requirement to go over this anymore.

That article prefers witness testimony to physical evidence. Witnesses can be planted.

Look at the fourth picture from the top in this link.
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings

There's no sign of the wings having hit the wall.

The pictures here show what would happen if the wings from a jet hit a wall.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20163

Here's what happened when a 767 hit the tower.
http://jabbajoo.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c0ac653ef00e5537c495d8834-pi

Here's some more stuff about the Pentagon if anyone wants to delve further.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showforum=5

 

[Andy_Ross]

What kind of missile? What kind of aircraft fired it?
What happened to the Airliner, it's Passengers and Crew?
How did DNA from the Passengers, Crew and Hijackers get to the Pentagon?

 

[SpitfireIX]

That article prefers witness testimony to physical evidence. Witnesses can be planted.

And exactly how were these 'planted' witnesses recruited? Signs next to the water coolers in the Pentagon? "Wanted--volunteers to participate in treasonous conspiracy."

Look at the fourth picture from the top in this link.
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings

There's no sign of the wings having hit the wall.

Not true. The stone has been knocked off the facade between the windows. Explain how that happened, if not from the impact of the wings.

The pictures here show what would happen if the wings from a jet hit a wall.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20163

According to the link, the aircraft was moving at less than 85 knots when it struck the wall. American 77 was going around 500 knots when it impacted the Pentagon. Do you understand the difference in kinetic energy between the two impacts?

Here's what happened when a 767 hit the tower.
http://jabbajoo.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c0ac653ef00e5537c495d8834-pi

The Pentagon and the World Trade Center were constructed completely differently.

 

[MikeW]

That article prefers witness testimony to physical evidence. Witnesses can be planted.

Look at the fourth picture from the top in this link.
http://www.physics911.net/missingwings

There's no sign of the wings having hit the wall.

Yes there is, you're looking at the hole left by the left wing, even according to this truther site: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/damage_comp.jpg

Of course if you're pushing "pilots for truth" I don't suppose you'll be very interested in facts.

 

[NoahFence]

What kind of missile? What kind of aircraft fired it?
What happened to the Airliner, it's Passengers and Crew?
How did DNA from the Passengers, Crew and Hijackers get to the Pentagon?

If I may elaborate....

How did aircraft parts wind up on the lawn, on the highway, and inside the Pentagon?

 

[Kid Eager]

How did the light poles get knocked down by the wings of the aircraft as it crossed low over the highway before impacting the wall of the Pentagon?

 

[DGM]

How did the light poles get knocked down by the wings of the aircraft as it crossed low over the highway before impacting the wall of the Pentagon?

Time machine! It was used to stop real time while the workers placed all the evidence that would be there if the event happened according to the accepted explanation.

If you don't believe this. WAKE UP SHEEPIE!

 

[SpitfireIX]

Time machine! It was used to stop real time while the workers placed all the evidence that would be there if the event happened according to the accepted explanation.

If you don't believe this. WAKE UP SHEEPIE!

The singular of "sheeple" is "sherson."