Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

[dafydd]

What makes you assume "we" couldn't?

What/who has made you believe that waterboarding is the only method capable of extracting intelligence from living people?





Evidence? The US government is telling us otherwise, talking up the threat of more attacks and is busy looking for the "next bin Laden" in Yemen.



Along with most of the civilized world, I don't support capital punishment, especially when it is done without due legal process.

How would you feel about the targeted assassination of George W Bush or Barack Obama, both of whom are responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians?

Would you prefer their weighted bodies be dumped into the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean or maybe Hudson Bay?

Concrete boots and bricks?



How do you know what the actions of a "Muslim hero" are? Your "blaze of glory" phrase suggests that you are confusing reality with a Cowboys and Indians movie. Geronimo?

How do you know he had any opportunity to pick up a weapon?

What's courageous about picking up a weapon?

"Naturally the common people don't want war... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders... All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism."

~ Herman Goering

Need any more straw? You must have used up your whole store.

 

[000063]

Our rule of thumb, innocent until proven guilty, is to be replaced by shoot first and lie about it as long as you can get away with it?

So now you ignore the reason we have thumbs in the first place?

War. Not cops hauling a drunk guy into jail.

 

[shuize]

Our rule of thumb, innocent until proven guilty, is to be replaced by shoot first and lie about it as long as you can get away with it?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by your statement, but if you're referring to the fact that initial reports indicated Osama fought back and later reports corrected this, I'm not particularly concerned. In the fog of war, early reports are often mistaken.

Moreover, as I've stated previously, I don't really care whether he was armed or not. I don't view this as a law enforcement mission. By launching attacks against our embassies, warships and civilians, Al Queda declared jihad against the United States and thus need not be afforded all the due process protections one might find in a civilian court. By serving as the leader of Al Queda and taking credit for the attacks, bin Laden essentially painted a bulls-eye on his face. In short, I don't mind that the military put two in the ring rather than try to capture him.

The Yamamoto case serves as a good example. In time of war, the enemy's command and control network is a legitimate target. Are you going to decry the lack of due process in that mission as well?

 

[dtugg]

Seriously. In a war you kill the enemy. As much as it is possibly for a state to be at war with a non state entity, the USA is at war with al Qaeda. Osama was the leader of that organization, thus shooting him in the face is perfectly legitimate. Don't want to have SEAL Team 6 fly onto your property in stealth helicopters, shoot you in the face, and dump your body in the ocean? Well, not being the leader of a terrorist organization at war with the USA would be a good start.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Seriously. In a war you kill the enemy. As much as it is possibly for a state to be at war with a non state entity, the USA is at war with al Qaeda. Osama was the leader of that organization, thus shooting him in the face is perfectly legitimate. Don't want to have SEAL Team 6 fly onto your property in stealth helicopters, shoot you in the face, and dump your body in the ocean? Well, not being the leader of a terrorist organization at war with the USA would be a good start.

Seriously, in a war you defeat the enemy. That's my rule of thumb.

 

[Resume]

Seriously, in a war you defeat the enemy. That's my rule of thumb.

How do you go about defeating the enemy in a war? Wave rhubarb at them? Fart in their general direction?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Seriously, in a war you defeat the enemy. That's my rule of thumb.

Killing or capturing them are two ways of doing this.

 

[triforcharity]

[nitpick]
Iraq invaded Kuwait (mass killing muslims is ok when other muslims do it ), making the Saudis very nervous.
[/nitpick]

Not a nitpick, I was wrong. Yes, it was Kuwait. My aoplogies....

 

[triforcharity]

What makes you assume "we" couldn't?

What makes you assume that "we" could? I mean, bin Laden most likely isn't exactly going to just spill his guts because we asked him nicely.

What/who has made you believe that waterboarding is the only method capable of extracting intelligence from living people?

It certainly has seemed to work in the past.

Evidence? The US government is telling us otherwise, talking up the threat of more attacks and is busy looking for the "next bin Laden" in Yemen.

Aparently you don't understand what Shuize said.

Along with most of the civilized world, I don't support capital punishment, especially when it is done without due legal process.

This wasn't capital punishment. This was a battle in a warzone, with a known war criminal, who would not have gone peacefully even if asked nicely.

How would you feel about the targeted assassination of George W Bush or Barack Obama, both of whom are responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians?

Neither of them are war criminals, neither of them are part of a terrorist orginization, neither of them have active warrants for their capture in any known country. But, other than that.....

Would you prefer their weighted bodies be dumped into the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean or maybe Hudson Bay?
Concrete boots and bricks?

But you see, the problem is that the US would claim both of their bodies, whereas, no country would claim the body of bin Laden. It would have been political suicide.

How do you know what the actions of a "Muslim hero" are? Your "blaze of glory" phrase suggests that you are confusing reality with a Cowboys and Indians movie. Geronimo?

No, what he said makes perfect sense to people who don't love Hitler, A.Q, et al.

How do you know he had any opportunity to pick up a weapon?

How do you know he DIDN'T?

What's courageous about picking up a weapon?

Nothing. It's pulling the trigger quickly and effectivly, before the other one does.

"Naturally the common people don't want war... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders... All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism."

~ Herman Goering

Imagine that, you quote a known war criminal and murderer to try to support your cause. Awesome.

Slightly off topic, but why do you love Nazis so much, and hate Americans?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by JihadJane View Post
"Naturally the common people don't want war... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders... All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism."

~ Herman Goering

Imagine that, you quote a known war criminal and murderer to try to support your cause. Awesome.

Slightly off topic, but why do you love Nazis so much, and hate Americans?

You imagine in 5D. That's 2 extra.
__________________

 

[Noztradamus]

~~~~~
The fact that the administration is incompetent in explaining events doesn't mean the SEALs didn't know what they were doing. They did.

I think that's an American thing, like wanting to go on Jerry Springer for a few seconds of fame.

The Brits know how to do this stuff

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "We do not comment on Special Forces operations"

 

[Ziggurat]

Evidence? The US government is telling us otherwise, talking up the threat of more attacks and is busy looking for the "next bin Laden" in Yemen.

That isn't "telling us otherwise". What they're saying is that al Qaeda might try to increase the tempo of their attacks to retaliate against us. That could change the temporal profile of the threat, but it doesn't change the overall magnitude of the threat at all. And of course they're looking for whoever is next in line. That's what you do when you're trying to destroy an organization.

Along with most of the civilized world, I don't support capital punishment, especially when it is done without due legal process.

This wasn't capital punishment. This was a military operation. One does not need to hold a trial every time one engages with the enemy.

How would you feel about the targeted assassination of George W Bush or Barack Obama, both of whom are responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians?

If carried out by another nation, I would consider that an act of war.

Congratulations: you've just discovered that we're at war with al Qaeda. Guess who declared that war? Oh, that's right: the guy we just killed.

Would you prefer their weighted bodies be dumped into the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean or maybe Hudson Bay?

The disposal of a corpse after the fact is really the least of my concerns.

How do you know what the actions of a "Muslim hero" are? Your "blaze of glory" phrase suggests that you are confusing reality with a Cowboys and Indians movie. Geronimo?

I know what the actions of a "Muslim hero" are because I can see what it is that they glorify. They glorify death in combat. They don't glorify getting shot in your bedroom by an enemy you never saw coming.

How do you know he had any opportunity to pick up a weapon?

I don't. Neither did the SEAL team. That's rather the whole point.

What's courageous about picking up a weapon?

Since he loved posing with hsi gun so much, why don't you ask bin Laden?

Oh, that's right: you can't. So sad.

"Naturally the common people don't want war... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders... All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism."

~ Herman Goering

"My good friends, this is the second time there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Now I recommend you go home, and sleep quietly in your beds."
- Neville Chamberlain

You talk peace, Jihad Jane, but your words are hollow.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Seriously, in a war you defeat the enemy. That's my rule of thumb.

Um...only if you win.

 

[Toontown]

Seriously. In a war you kill the enemy. As much as it is possibly for a state to be at war with a non state entity, the USA is at war with al Qaeda. Osama was the leader of that organization, thus shooting him in the face is perfectly legitimate. Don't want to have SEAL Team 6 fly onto your property in stealth helicopters, shoot you in the face, and dump your body in the ocean? Well, not being the leader of a terrorist organization at war with the USA would be a good start.

Dream crusher.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked..."

~ Herman Goering

No one told Americans they were under attack. America actually was attacked.

Swear to god, it was in all the papers...

 

[Belz...]

That is not what you stated. You said it was your understanding, then you said your understanding was based on the thread.

Yes. Isn't that what I said ?

All I said was the thread contained no actual evidence, only supposition.

Then my understanding was based on supposition. Either way your first comment here was unwarranted.

Why did what I said bother you?

Somehow it seems to be a continuing theme with you

Why didn't you just clarify that you did mean supposition and never meant to imply "understanding" was based on actual evidence?

I did at least twice and you only now understood it, while trying to say the opposite of what I had said which agreed with you.

 

[beachnut]

The idea that bin laden was killed just the other day is laughable. If some kid said it and showed everyone those images of him supposedly watching tv and holding the remote with his right hand (even though he's left handed) and with ears and a nose which aren'e his, it would be seen as ridiculous, but because the hypnotist known as the mainstream media shows it, people believe it. He died years ago.

Why would an Islamic man use his right hand or left. They eat with their right hand. Which hand do pilots use to fly with? In which aircraft? How does your opinion match up to DNA data from a dead guy? Did you google the UBL was dead years ago? Got the date? Sources? You left out years of research.

Who can use a remote with either hand? We killed UBL the other day, and you are making up left right hand junk, and more nonsense.

Got some proof to go with your fantasy claim?

 

[Clayton Moore]

why would an islamic man use his right hand or left. They eat with their right hand. Which hand do pilots use to fly with? In which aircraft? how does your opinion match up to dna data from a dead guy? did you google the ubl was dead years ago? Got the date? Sources? You left out years of research.

Who can use a remote with either hand? We killed ubl the other day, and you are making up left right hand junk, and more nonsense.

Got some proof to go with your fantasy claim?

dna? Smh

 

[Mister Earl]

In Iraq at least, holding anything with your left hand was taboo. They don't use toilet paper over there. They use a bottle of water and their left hand. It doesn't matter if you're right or left handed. Your preference doesn't factor in. The left hand is the "unclean" hand.

Not sure if that's the same rule in Saudi Arabia.

 

[elgarak]

In Iraq at least, holding anything with your left hand was taboo. They don't use toilet paper over there. They use a bottle of water and their left hand. It doesn't matter if you're right or left handed. Your preference doesn't factor in. The left hand is the "unclean" hand.

Not sure if that's the same rule in Saudi Arabia.

We know OBL was left-handed, as he was filmed shooting an AK-47 left-handed.

The taboo is certainly there, so he may have been trained to be ambidextrous (doing all the right things with the right hand, and doing anything else with the left).

Be this as it may, I don't think that using a TV remote is a good indicator for handedness. I can, and do regularly for convenience, easily use a remote with both hands, being right-handed.