Our Muslim Researcher has tried to claim that the aircraft were remote controlled. He hasn't managed it yet.
TruthMakesPeace, how were they remote controlled?
If it involved extra hardware being fittd to the aircraft, why wasn't it spotted by the qualified crews that serviced the aircraft?
Our Muslim Researcher has tried to claim that the aircraft were remote controlled. He hasn't managed it yet.
TruthMakesPeace, how were they remote controlled?
If it involved extra hardware being fittd to the aircraft, why wasn't it spotted by the qualified crews that serviced the aircraft?
You do know that the vast majority of the aircraft (flight 77) was recovered INSIDE of the pentagon, right? including all of the DNA of the passangers....
If it somehow does not ignite right away then just hit the power button on the monitor. These are not sealed switches and WILL create a tiny little arc as they open the cct.
The evidence for the theory, that the occupants were gassed as the plane was taken over by remote control, is the same used by the OCT.
* Parts of the planes were found at the WTCs and Pentagon.
* Many witnesses, photos, and videos prove that planes hit WTC 1 and 2, and the Pentagon wall.
* DNA evidence at the Pentagon and WTCs confirms people were on board.
Plane wreckage at the WTCs and Pentagon should have been analyzed for traces of poison gas.
* Cyanide gas is toxic, and can travel from the baggage compartment into the cabin area. http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/cyanide/basics/facts.asp
* Explosives in the baggage area going off just prior to Pentagon impact explain smaller than expected hole
* Explosives in the baggage area going off just after planes impacted WTCs would ensure a large fire ball.
If fuel simply spilled out, without catching fire, OCT could not claim fire brought down the buildings.
Regarding the theory that CIA asset Bin Laden, or his deputies, recruited and duped the hijackers:
More Arabians would volunteer to hijack a plane to get the US military bases out of their holy land, than to die without a clear stated purpose or without even making any demands, as the OCT expects us to believe. A group would identify itself, state its demands, and kill hostages much less themselves only if their demands were not met. Obviously, if they blow themselves up, without identifying their cause, and before their demands are met, they lose all negotiation power.
OK. You have the PhD of Piloting, work for the USAF, and know Radar way better than me. Thanks for showing me that plane substitution theories are too prone to being discovered, needlessly complicated, and a dead end. So I concede that point, and kept looking for a theory acknowledging Radar while making more sense than the OCT.
This new theory proposes that the planes were on radar, and the hijackers were just that, hijackers. They were not suicidal, and did not intend to die in a crash. This made it easier to recruit 19 or more men to volunteer for the mission, such as getting the US military bases out of Arabia in return for hostages. It makes sense they would have made at least some demand before killing themselves for no reason or benefit. The OCT says 19 guys killed themselves without identifying their cause, or making a single demand.
According to this explanation, the true intent of the organizers of 9/11 was to knock out the hijackers with cyanide-like gas, along with the crew and passengers. Thus the hijackers were duped into a death flight.
"The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controls."
Common pattern that merges from the WTC and Pentagon attacks
Hijackers intended to land the planes and make demands. After hijackers took over the planes, pilots notified ground control, passengers notified their relatives, and possibly voice morphed calls got the story out. Cyanide gas tanks, hidden in the luggage area and triggered by remote control, spread gas through the plane, and knocked unconscious the passengers, crew, and hijackers. The hijackers were duped.
The planed continued on to their target buildings under remote control. The buildings also had explosives, planted during their renovations (by agents). After the impact, and a delay to allow some people in the building to escape, the explosives did the remainder of the damage. The press was spun, so the plane got all of the blame.
Differences between the WTC and Pentagon attacks:
WTCs: Explosives went off just after the impact in the WTC, to ensure a huge fire ball, and maximum internal damage
Pentagon: They went off just before the impact, to minimize internal damage, explaining the smaller than expected hole and wing marks.
To answer your previous question, the orientation is intentional. This theory proposes a North of Citgo approach, hitting the Pentagon wall nearer to a 90 degree angle than the planned flight path. Something happened to blow the plane off course, remote controlled by then. But pre-planted explosives still went off at the planned 45 degree (approximately) angle.
OK. You have the PhD of Piloting, work for the USAF, and know Radar way better than me. Thanks for showing me that plane substitution theories are too prone to being discovered, needlessly complicated, and a dead end. So I concede that point, and kept looking for a theory acknowledging Radar while making more sense than the OCT.
This new theory proposes that the planes were on radar, and the hijackers were just that, hijackers. They were not suicidal, and did not intend to die in a crash. This made it easier to recruit 19 or more men to volunteer for the mission, such as getting the US military bases out of Arabia in return for hostages. It makes sense they would have made at least some demand before killing themselves for no reason or benefit. The OCT says 19 guys killed themselves without identifying their cause, or making a single demand.
Well, that's a lot more sensible. Of course, this ignores a few little facts such as the people who transported or bunked with the prisoners recognizing them, the extra hijackers, that Al Qaeda called the 19 martyrs and claimed responsibility, and that suicide bombers regularly just kill people with no pre-mortem declaration of cause, most recently yesterday, but other than those tiny niggles...
According to this explanation, the true intent of the organizers of 9/11 was to knock out the hijackers with cyanide-like gas, along with the crew and passengers. Thus the hijackers were duped into a death flight.
"Cyanide-like gas"? Wait, when were these devices planted and where were they placed? Planes are inspected pretty regularly, so unless the mechanics were in on it...
"The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controls."
I can't find any corroborating sources for this claim, nor does the article cite any. Not even a Boeing Manual. Weird, you'd think they'd advertise this sort of feature. In fact, most of my Google results are conspiracy websites.
After hijackers took over the planes, pilots notified ground control, passengers notified their relatives, and possibly voice morphed calls got the story out.
Cyanide gas tanks, hidden in the luggage area and triggered by remote control, spread gas through the plane, and knocked unconscious the passengers, crew, and hijackers. The hijackers were duped.
The planed continued on to their target buildings under remote control. The buildings also had explosives, planted during their renovations (by agents).
No, seriously, why? Why add even more people and risk exposure?
After the impact, and a delay to allow some people in the building to escape, the explosives did the remainder of the damage. The press was spun, so the plane got all of the blame.
The press, engineers, FEMA, the FBI; boy, this conspiracy just gets more complicated by the second.
Differences between the WTC and Pentagon attacks:
WTCs: Explosives went off just after the impact in the WTC, to ensure a huge fire ball, and maximum internal damage
I'd think a heavy plane hitting it at hundreds of MPH would cause both of those, but I could be wrong. If only I had some sort of video of a plane exploding on impact with someth-
Hey, look! It's the exact same test you posted! And here's one with a F4 Phantom. There don't seem to be a lot of these, on account of the plane alone costing millions of dollars.
Also, the fake renovators would've had to involve the NY Unions in some capacity. You do not hire construction workers in that city without the Unions noticing something.
Pentagon: They went off just before the impact, to minimize internal damage, explaining the smaller than expected hole and wing marks.
But not, I note, how the heavily trafficked building full of military personnel failed to notice the large explosives which would've been planted.
To answer your previous question, the orientation is intentional. This theory proposes a North of Citgo approach, hitting the Pentagon wall nearer to a 90 degree angle than the planned flight path. Something happened to blow the plane off course, remote controlled by then. But pre-planted explosives still went off at the planned 45 degree (approximately) angle
You forgot the complete lack of cyanide tanks. Say, you did work out how much and what concentration would be required to dose a plane full of people, right? From that, you can work out how large the tanks would need to be.
* Explosives in the baggage area going off just prior to Pentagon impact explain smaller than expected hole
More Arabians would volunteer to hijack a plane to get the US military bases out of their holy land, than to die without a clear stated purpose or without even making any demands, as the OCT expects us to believe.
Arabs, and I'd like you take a look at this list of suicide bombings. Count them. Finding 19 young men fanatical enough to die would be no great task.
A group would identify itself, state its demands, and kill hostages much less themselves only if their demands were not met. Obviously, if they blow themselves up, without identifying their cause, and before their demands are met, they lose all negotiation power.
* Parts of the planes were found at the WTCs and Pentagon.
* Many witnesses, photos, and videos prove that planes hit WTC 1 and 2, and the Pentagon wall.
* DNA evidence at the Pentagon and WTCs confirms people were on board.
Plane wreckage at the WTCs and Pentagon should have been analyzed for traces of poison gas.
* Cyanide gas is toxic, and can travel from the baggage compartment into the cabin area. http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/cyanide/basics/facts.asp
Except that 757 and 767 (in 2001)were NOT fly by wire (IIRC, there is a GREAT article on WHY this proposed bs could not have happened, but I can't seem to find it... oh well... someone will post it soon), and could not have been modified to fly as remote controlled vehicles w/out extensive modification. You haven't provided a single link to any device capable of doing so. Modification of the flight control system would be extensive and would require dozens (if not hundreds of) hours of maintenance. When and where did this happen?
Also, modification of the air filtration system would be extensive and would require dozens of (if not hundreds of) hours of maintenance. When and where did this happen?
Please show me HOW it would have been done on the 757 and 767. (hint: I already know the answer... you don't and are just spewing crapola. Alot like your put orders, missing 2.3 trillion and the other bs you are spewing) You might want to look it up.
* Explosives in the baggage area going off just prior to Pentagon impact explain smaller than expected hole
There was no "smaller than expected hole". There was a huge gash in the pentagon. I'm sorry that you cant' figure it out.
Regarding the theory that CIA asset Bin Laden, or his deputies, recruited and duped the hijackers:
More Arabians would volunteer to hijack a plane to get the US military bases out of their holy land, than to die without a clear stated purpose or without even making any demands, as the OCT expects us to believe. A group would identify itself, state its demands, and kill hostages much less themselves only if their demands were not met. Obviously, if they blow themselves up, without identifying their cause, and before their demands are met, they lose all negotiation power.
Cicorp... I believe you will need to admit that you are wrong (again), then then you can admit that you slandered the SEC investigators, the FBI and others in your baseless claims.
Can you do even basic research? Start at about page 20... hell read the whole *********** thing. Then try to put it into your tiny head that you are WRONG again.
Thanks for your interesting and reasonable questions, which took me a while to answer point by point.
Of course, this ignores a few little facts such as the people who transported or bunked with the prisoners recognizing them, the extra hijackers, that Al Qaeda called the 19 martyrs and claimed responsibility, and that suicide bombers regularly just kill people with no pre-mortem declaration of cause, most recently yesterday, but other than those tiny niggles...
Teams were compartmentalized and did not know each other. Standard op procedure.
"Cyanide-like gas"? Wait, when were these devices planted and where were they placed? Planes are inspected pretty regularly, so unless the mechanics were in on it...
I can't find any corroborating sources for this claim, nor does the article cite any. Not even a Boeing Manual. Weird, you'd think they'd advertise this sort of feature. In fact, most of my Google results are conspiracy websites.
False assumption that whole agencies had to be involved, to make it sound imp
I'd think a heavy plane hitting it at hundreds of MPH would cause both of those, but I could be wrong. If only I had some sort of video of a plane exploding on impact with someth-
Hey, look! It's the exact same test you posted! And here's one with a F4 Phantom. There don't seem to be a lot of these, on account of the plane alone costing millions of dollars.
Also, the fake renovators would've had to involve the NY Unions in some capacity. You do not hire construction workers in that city without the Unions noticing something.
Some Truthers allege hole in Pentagon was too small. Explosion just prior to impact should satisfy them.
You forgot the complete lack of cyanide tanks. Say, you did work out how much and what concentration would be required to dose a plane full of people, right? From that, you can work out how large the tanks would need to be.
That is the story. But it is far fetched to believe 19 healthy guys would die without so much as making a single demand for hostages, just killing thousands for no reason, and not identifying themselves to "take credit".
It is nice that you answered him point-by-point truthbypeace, but those really weren't rebuttals. For example, your answer to "If it's so impossible, why bother with such an easily disproven lie?" was "OCT is an easily disproven lie."
You haven't 'disproved' the 'OCT'. You only say it can be easily disproved. That is not a rebuttal, it's a simple declaration.
The FBI alone had thousands of special agents on the case. 7,000, IIRC. That's most of the Bureau. Any significant amount of people from any of those agencies could've exposed them, and believe me, there were significant amounts.
Any decent intelligence agency can get agents a union card.
And the unions didn't make the connection between "weird new guy" and "terrorist attacks"? NTM the non-agent union employees crawling all over any place under renovation.
Graphic equally applies to those who believe the OCT.
There may have been, hence the 20th hijacker rumors. The OS requires less than two dozen people to be fanatical enough to strike at a hated enemy. Your theory requires several more than that to murder dozens, if the TT hadn't collapsed, of Americans in cold blood on American soil.
In the suicide bombings you mentioned, the suiciders let themselves be identified, and the motive is clear.
That is the story. But it is far fetched to believe 19 healthy guys would die without so much as making a single demand for hostages, just killing thousands for no reason, and not identifying themselves to "take credit"
Thanks for your interesting and reasonable questions, which took me a while to answer point by point.
Teams were compartmentalized and did not know each other. Standard op procedure.
Yes agents were in on it.
Enhanced RC installed by agents.
RC documented since 12/1/1984.
RC is existing tech, and has developed since 1984. Look at how computers developed since the Apple Macintosh was released in 1984.
Yes 3 more people. Not a theory breaker.
Why believe documented liars in Bush Administration?
Several agents necessary to make sure bags with cyanide and explosives got on the plane. Number of people is not high enough to negate false flag op.
False assumption that whole agencies had to be involved, to make it sound imp
Yes, plane hit the Pentagon wall.
Yes, plane hit Pentagon wall.
Any decent intelligence agency can get agents a union card.
Graphic equally applies to those who believe the OCT.
They don't traffic the elevator shafts. Agents in SecuriCom.
OCT has no peer-reviewed papers showing Al Queda did it, or even Bin Laden.
No, it is relatively simple. Basically: Gas occupants. Planes on remote control. Boom.
Some Truthers allege hole in Pentagon was too small. Explosion just prior to impact should satisfy them.
Bags with cyanide tanks could also contain remote controlled explosives, in the cargo.
Music applies better to OCT. The video ridicules missile theory. This theory proposes plane.
Explosives in plane would ensure fire ball, just in case.
OCT is an easily disproven lie.
Bin Laden was silenced, so we will never know if he was active or not.
None of the suicide bombings on your list involved 19 at once. All it would take is for 1 to wise up and decline to participate, to ruin the mission.
In the suicide bombings you mentioned, the suiciders let themselves be identified, and the motive is clear.
That is the story. But it is far fetched to believe 19 healthy guys would die without so much as making a single demand for hostages, just killing thousands for no reason, and not identifying themselves to "take credit".
Bumpie for cicorp... This destroys your claim... just like the put orders were destroyed, kevin ryan destroyed and even Stubblebine... Man that has to hurt.
Cicorp... I believe you will need to admit that you are wrong (again), then then you can admit that you slandered the SEC investigators, the FBI and others in your baseless claims.
Can you do even basic research? Start at about page 20... hell read the whole *********** thing. Then try to put it into your tiny head that you are WRONG again.
The evidence for the theory, that the occupants were gassed as the plane was taken over by remote control, is the same used by the OCT.
* Parts of the planes were found at the WTCs and Pentagon.
* Many witnesses, photos, and videos prove that planes hit WTC 1 and 2, and the Pentagon wall.
* DNA evidence at the Pentagon and WTCs confirms people were on board.
Plane wreckage at the WTCs and Pentagon should have been analyzed for traces of poison gas.
* Cyanide gas is toxic, and can travel from the baggage compartment into the cabin area. http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/cyanide/basics/facts.asp
* Explosives in the baggage area going off just prior to Pentagon impact explain smaller than expected hole
* Explosives in the baggage area going off just after planes impacted WTCs would ensure a large fire ball.
If fuel simply spilled out, without catching fire, OCT could not claim fire brought down the buildings.
All that and still no answer to the quote from Trutherlie. In a subsequent post you cite an article in a magazine that cliams the 757 and 767 are capable of autonomous flight. Ok but that claim is not borne out in ant reference to a Boeing manual. Infact NO aircraft can take off or land itself unless the airport is equipped with MLS AFAIK.
You claim an advanced RC tech. Well no matter how advanced the computer gets you still have to install the servos that manipulate the controls independant of the input from the cockpit (even a dead man may well be pushing on the yoke).
Your scenario is so far pure speculation, complete fiction.
Regarding the theory that CIA asset Bin Laden, or his deputies, recruited and duped the hijackers:
More Arabians would volunteer to hijack a plane to get the US military bases out of their holy land, than to die without a clear stated purpose or without even making any demands, as the OCT expects us to believe. A group would identify itself, state its demands, and kill hostages much less themselves only if their demands were not met. Obviously, if they blow themselves up, without identifying their cause, and before their demands are met, they lose all negotiation power.
Yes yes that explains all the human bombs on Israeli busses or nightclubs or restaurants, where the bomber made demands before blowing himself up.
When the organization claims responsibility and calls it an "attack" on their "enemy" it eliminates the requirement for the actual suicide operatives to reiterate the demands that the organization has been making for several years.
OTOH you do point out one reason why there was no immediate plan to shoot down these planes. In the past hijackings followed a set path, hijack, make demands, kill a few hostages, fly to a friendly country and release the rest(or die in an assault on the plane on the ground).
As has been pointed out innumerable times, on Sept 11 /01 al-Qada combined the suicide bombing stradegy with the hijacking stradegy for the first time.
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