Bachmann cranks the hyperbole knob to 11

[JoeTheJuggler]

And I note again that you have failed to answer a very simple, straightforward and on-topic question: Do you think the AP story fabricated quotations or was otherwise misleading?

And to show I'm not trying to set any traps, but am merely pointing out that your position is simply untenable, I've also already asked the follow up questions:

If so, what is your evidence?

If not, why isn't it sufficient evidence that Bachmann said what the story alleges she said?

 

[mhaze]

And I note again that you have failed to answer a very simple, straightforward and on-topic question: Do you think the AP story fabricated quotations or was otherwise misleading?

And to show I'm not trying to set any traps, but am merely pointing out that your position is simply untenable, I've also already asked the follow up questions:

If so, what is your evidence?

If not, why isn't it sufficient evidence that Bachmann said what the story alleges she said?

And do you think A + B = 7? I'm not trying to set any traps, but merely pointing out that your position is simply untenable. There isn't any reason for you to need to know A, or B.

Just answer the question, and the follow up questions.

 

[mhaze]

In what way is an "allusion of similitude" not a comparison?

REFERENCE: HUCKABEE (Joe I get the feeling you having trouble keeping things straight, so let's bring a third issue in, then we'll just turn you into a pretzel. )

Because the comparison IS MADE to the "greatest generation". There cannot be three things a comparison was made between.

...And comparing competing ideas about the federal budget and the perceived "erosion of freedoms" of today to the Holocaust <<<blah, blah blah blah>>>

I think it's well understood that your opinion is that repeating things make them true, the propagandist method.

Anyway, we understand that you do believe the economic crisis of less importance than mainstream Republicans (or all the Independants who voted large numbers of your jokers out in November).

That's not in dispute.

 

[leftysergeant]

The allusion is to the Greatest Generation and their behavior and actions, versus ours. The only way that daughter could have had the moving experience, was by the actions of that generation.

I also find it disgusting that some nattering drongo thinks he or his vapid twit daughter think they are emulating the Greatest Generation by being activists for conservative causes.

The men and a few of the women of the Greatest Generation put their lives at risk to stop Hitler, the industrialist gone mad.

All the conservatives like Chuckelby and crazy old Michelle are doing is shrieking like banshees to keep the government from raising the taxes on the slackers who put our ecconomy in such a sad state of affairs.

Pathetic little sociopaths, they are.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

And do you think A + B = 7? I'm not trying to set any traps, but merely pointing out that your position is simply untenable. There isn't any reason for you to need to know A, or B.

Just answer the question, and the follow up questions.

Yep--I can see you refuse to answer the question as to whether or not you think the AP story fabricated quotes or is otherwise misleading.

So your insistence on more evidence that Bachmann said this is just a bunch crap.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

REFERENCE: HUCKABEE (Joe I get the feeling you having trouble keeping things straight, so let's bring a third issue in, then we'll just turn you into a pretzel. )

Because the comparison IS MADE to the "greatest generation". There cannot be three things a comparison was made between.

This is utter nonsense, and I'm pretty sure you realize it.

He made the comparison using the question, "Why didn't somebody do something?" First that question was asked about why the Holocaust was allowed to happen.

Second it was used as something a future daughter might ask about this current generation--regarding the big debt and erosion of freedom. So clearly, he is comparing the Holocaust to something that will happen if he and his right-wingers don't act to prevent it.

And that is outrageous.

And your attempts to defend this and Bachmann's comparing federal budget issues to the Holocaust are pathetic.

Anyway, we understand that you do believe the economic crisis of less importance than mainstream Republicans (or all the Independants who voted large numbers of your jokers out in November).

I do believe the current economic crisis--and especially the disagreements over what to do about it-- is nothing new. And I do believe it's beyond the pale to compare it to the Holocaust.

 

[mhaze]

....He made the comparison using the question, "Why didn't somebody do something?" First that question was asked about why the Holocaust was allowed to happen.

Second it was used as something a future daughter might ask about this current generation--regarding the big debt and erosion of freedom. So clearly, he is comparing the Holocaust to something that will happen if he and his right-wingers don't act to prevent it. ....

Relative to the prior construction in the grammer, of "the greatest generation", which you've left out, so now you are bald faced lying by omission, plus engaging in ad hominem attacks against me.

I'm only pointing out what is in the actual text of the speech. And you are only trying to ignore certain things that are there, in order to misrepresent Huckabee and mis frame his speech to create a smear.

Keep on waving those arms. Oh, and keep on using that serious yet falsetto shrill tone of utter outrage behind which lies confusion and despair.

 

[leftysergeant]

Putting it in terms of the Holocaust is extreme at any rate, in any context, when you consider that the situation we face right NOW more resembles the First Great Republicon Depression.

But Chuckleby and Ms Guano-for-brains know what the solution to that problem was and who refused to do anything about it until people started losing their homes and their hope.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Relative to the prior construction in the grammer[sic], of "the greatest generation", which you've left out, so now you are bald faced lying by omission, plus engaging in ad hominem attacks against me.

Look, you're just wrong. Huckabee is indeed comparing the Holocaust to contemporary events in the U.S. He's claiming that if the people in the room don't do something, that a future daughter will ask her father, "Why didn't somebody do something?"

I'm not ignoring anything. Huckabee really did this, and it's outrageous. Your bizarre attempt to spin and twist this to mean something else is a complete failure, as is your attempt to first claim that what Bachmann said was reasonable (see post 7) and then to deny she said it because you don't consider the AP story to be sufficient evidence--even though you continue to refuse to answer the question as to whether or not you think the AP story fabricated the quotes or is otherwise misleading.

I'm only pointing out what is in the actual text of the speech.

Do you deny that Huckabee was applying the same question his daughter asked about the Holocaust to events in the U.S.? Do you deny that he's claiming that he and the other people in the room are the "somebodies" who will prevent something bad--comparable to the Holocaust--from happening?

Keep on waving those arms. Oh, and keep on using that serious yet falsetto shrill tone of utter outrage behind which lies confusion and despair.

Arm waving? I'm pointing to what Huckabee actually said in his actual speech. And you're denying it.

Confusion and despair? You're the one whose argumentation has failed. You're the one desperately digging in and defending the outrageous statements both of these potential candidates for the POTUS has made.

 

[mhaze]

....I'm not ignoring anything.....

The transcript of the section and the full video I provided a link to, says otherwise, so I stand by my comments in the prior post #147.

If you do not like being called one who "lies by omission" take it up with the moderators, not I. I only call attention to the section that you have omitted.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

You say that Huckabee was making a comparison to the Greatest Generation. All right, what was he comparing to them?

Wasn't he comparing the people in the room? And how was he making that comparison? (I've gone over this before, at least briefly--despite your false claim that I'm ignoring something.) Was he saying they're similar in that they're also going to have lots of babies?

Or was it that he claimed the people in the room had to act in order to prevent something like the Holocaust from happening?

And meanwhile, I note your continued refusal to answer my questions about whether or not you think the AP story about Bachmann--you know, the one cited in the OP-- had fabricated quotes or was otherwise misleading.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

And further, whether or not the designation "the Greatest Generation" is deserved, it was about some idea of doing one's selfless duty and making sacrifices for the good of all mankind (or at least of the U.S.).

It most definitely was not about asserting a political ideology based on trickle down economics and mistrust of "the government". In fact, guess when the highest federal debt as a percentage of GDP in the history of the U.S. took place?

But again, Huckabee claimed that if the people in the room weren't those "somebodies" who did "something" that something comparable to the Holocaust would happen, and some future father would be watching over his daughter's shoulder as she asked, "Why didn't somebody do something?"

 

[mhaze]

You say that Huckabee was making a comparison to the Greatest Generation. All right, what was he comparing to them?.....

I'm really not sure why you have trouble (1) actually listing the quote (2) actually reading it (3) actually understanding it. I notice you avoid actually quoting the item so I'll help out a bit.

27:00...we cannot afford to be a generation that leaves our children with nothing but a huge debt and the very erosion of the freedoms that our founders and our fathers died and gave us so valiantly and that's why I say let there never be a time in this country when some father has to look over his daughter's shoulder and see her ask this haunting question "why didn't somebody do something" because in this room we are the somebodies and we will do something to preserve this great American heritage.
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There is simply no direct or indirect assertion or claim of similitude between the Holocaust and the debt or erosion of freedoms mentioned. I guess you can claim an allusion of similitude, if you like. That's stretching two rubber bands tied together about as far as they go.

The allusion is to the Greatest Generation and their behavior and actions, versus ours. The only way that daughter could have had the moving experience, was by the actions of that generation.
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And meanwhile, I note your continued refusal to answer my questions about whether or not you think the AP story about Bachmann--you know, the one cited in the OP-- had fabricated quotes or was otherwise misleading.

Continued use of Saul Alinsky tactic, uh, #11, right? I notice you have a CONTINUED refusal to answer my question about whether A+B = 7? Why is it, Joe? Very suspicious behavior on your part. Do you think A or B might be fabricated? The mere fact that A and B are not revealed does not bother you, does it? Man up now, and answer the question....just a simple YES, or NO. Otherwise, what will people think?

 

[tyr_13]

I'm really not sure why you have trouble (1) actually listing the quote (2) actually reading it (3) actually understanding it. I notice you avoid actually quoting the item so I'll help out a bit.

27:00...we cannot afford to be a generation that leaves our children with nothing but a huge debt and the very erosion of the freedoms that our founders and our fathers died and gave us so valiantly and that's why I say let there never be a time in this country when some father has to look over his daughter's shoulder and see her ask this haunting question "why didn't somebody do something" because in this room we are the somebodies and we will do something to preserve this great American heritage.
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There is simply no direct or indirect assertion or claim of similitude between the Holocaust and the debt or erosion of freedoms mentioned. I guess you can claim an allusion of similitude, if you like. That's stretching two rubber bands tied together about as far as they go.

The allusion is to the Greatest Generation and their behavior and actions, versus ours. The only way that daughter could have had the moving experience, was by the actions of that generation.
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Continued use of Saul Alinsky tactic, uh, #11, right? I notice you have a CONTINUED refusal to answer my question about whether A+B = 7? Why is it, Joe? Very suspicious behavior on your part. Do you think A or B might be fabricated? The mere fact that A and B are not revealed does not bother you, does it? Man up now, and answer the question....just a simple YES, or NO. Otherwise, what will people think?

You do an excellent job of making Bachmann look like the wrongheaded, deceitfully, misinformed woman that she is, through your support.

 

[mhaze]

You do an excellent job of making Bachmann look like the wrongheaded, deceitfully, misinformed woman that she is, through your support.

But Tyr!!! Through your wrongheaded, and misformed (but not deceitful) support, you slander Bachman.

You've quoted me on Huckabee.

 

[leftysergeant]

You've quoted me on Huckabee.

Both of ther drongos are singing out of the same diabolical hymnal. Hard to tell the lunatics apart without a program. That's part of what makes it easy to make fun of Republicons. They all fall in behind any BS slogan that soundsgood at the time.

 

[tyr_13]

You've quoted me on Huckabee.

No I didn't. I was addressing your use of poisoning the well and guilt by association fallacy in your continued painfully obvious dodge of Joe's question about Bachmann and the OP.

 

[Dorian Gray]

I share your basket of horrors not, but thanks for the invite.



Sure. You took out the paragraph breaks, creating the appearance of continuity where it didn't exist in the Kansas City story.

But I already mentioned this...

You have a little problem. You've taken separate paragraphs, and joined them into one to imply continuity which was not in the kansas city article.

That's called "making things UP".

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So what exactly is not clear about my point?

You're confused. You must be thinking of how you took the same passage and added spaces, as though separating them physically would somehow separate them contextually. But I don't care if you put the sentences on different spacecraft and raced them to different parts of the galaxy, they are part of the same quote and thus part of the same complete thought.

And what a coincidence, because that is apparently the lengths you will go to in your vain and desperate effort to scrape some type of coherent point from the bottom of your cluelessness barrel.

 

[Dorian Gray]

The transcript of the section and the full video I provided a link to, says otherwise, so I stand by my comments in the prior post #147.

If you do not like being called one who "lies by omission" take it up with the moderators, not I. I only call attention to the section that you have omitted.

When "recasting" the part of the article that I quoted, you omitted the first sentence and then added spaces, Mr. Pot. So you not "only" lie by omission, but lie directly.

ETA: And you have a history of this creative editing and comprehension problem, don't you.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Continued use of Saul Alinsky tactic, uh, #11, right?

Nope. Just a question that is perfectly on topic and which is logically raised by your rejection of the AP story as sufficient evidence that Bachmann said what the article says she did.

I notice you have a CONTINUED refusal to answer my question about whether A+B = 7? Why is it, Joe? Very suspicious behavior on your part.

No, it's not. It's just you dodging the on-topic question with a bunch of crap.

Do you think A or B might be fabricated? The mere fact that A and B are not revealed does not bother you, does it? Man up now, and answer the question....just a simple YES, or NO. Otherwise, what will people think?

That you're embarrassing yourself.