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Oz1976 said:
Pray tell where it's coming from then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxGRUjnDwLo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx8oOVm7zvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDySukkcn3g

^^ these are not "Truther" or "debunker" vids, just footage of WTC 7...seems to me the picture accurately shows the smoke coming from 7...as do the vids. I would like to know what you think it's coming from and your proof of that.
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It's coming from WTC3 and the ruins of the towers, as you can clearly see in the picture.
 
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SOME of it is coming from WTC7. I don't dispute that. But the "the whole south side was engulfed in flames" line put forward with the deceptive image Dave Thomas posted is BS. The bulk of the smoke comes from WTC3 and the tower ruins.
 
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tempesta29 said:
Nonsense. The college kids in the streets of the US chanting "USA!" were not expressing pent up pain in any sense. They were celebrating death like people celebrate a victory on a football field. Nothing more. Don't be deluded.

Family members seeking closure comprised a very small percentage of the celebrating crowds.
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I would assume in your research, you may have come across this before. Just in case:
 
Childlike Empress said:
SOME of it is coming from WTC7. I don't dispute that. But the "the whole south side was engulfed in flames" line put forward with the deceptive image Dave Thomas posted is BS. The bulk of the smoke comes from WTC3 and the tower ruins.
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CE, don't you see that saying the picture I posted doesn't show smoke emanating from WTC7 ironically affirms the OP's observation that nothing new is happening in Truthiness Land?

Sorry, Ryan, didn't mean to help the derail. I'll just briefly counter CE's false claims of deceptive BS on my part with this video; see 4:50-6:00 for a direct rebuttal of CE's claim.



Thanks, CE, for validating the OP's hypothesis.
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
CE, don't you see that saying the picture I posted doesn't show smoke emanating from WTC7 ironically affirms the OP's observation that nothing new is happening in Truthiness Land?

Sorry, Ryan, didn't mean to help the derail. I'll just briefly counter CE's false claims of deceptive BS on my part with this video; see 4:50-6:00 for a direct rebuttal of CE's claim.



Thanks, CE, for validating the OP's hypothesis.
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"Richard Gage sucks LOL" is not a rebuttal of my claim. And that guys opinion doesn't change the facts. I didn't mean to say that you were engaging in deception, Dave. You're just parroting. Like Richard Gage.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
"Richard Gage sucks LOL" is not a rebuttal of my claim. And that guys opinion doesn't change the facts. I didn't mean to say that you were engaging in deception, Dave. You're just parroting. Like Richard Gage.
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You somehow missed the actual rebuttal of your claim - video of smoke pouring out of WTC7.

I am so glad I am not a truther - I don't think I could muster the requisite self-deception.
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
You somehow missed the actual rebuttal of your claim - video of smoke pouring out of WTC7.

I am so glad I am not a truther - I don't think I could muster the requisite self-deception.
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You just can't handle da twoof. ;)

My claim was that the bulk of the smoke comes from WTC3 and the tower ruins. Which is correct and not rebutted by what you've posted. I've seen those videos before.
 
Childlike Empress said:
You just can't handle da twoof. ;)

My claim was that the bulk of the smoke comes from WTC3 and the tower ruins. Which is correct and not rebutted by what you've posted. I've seen those videos before.
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WTC 7 burned and collapsed, 911 truth has no goal, no point, no conclusion past quibbling about where the smoke came from, as WTC 7 was fully involved on fire. What do buildings do on fire, they are destroyed, totaled. What do you think happen to all the buildings that were on fire on 911? Where are they today? Any of them survive? Fire destroyed One Meridian Plaza in Philly, and fire destroyed Windsor Building in Madrid. Fire destroys building, ask a fireman for help.

jujigatami said:
Russell,

I was at the WTC on 9/11.

I witnessed the entire chain of events. ...
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All I knew was that I had to somehow get to my wife in Brooklyn. So we started walking up Broadway when a cop told us it was closed and we had to go east. So we went over to Nassau St. When I hit the area near Cedar St, I could start to see the devastation. There was giant beams and junk everywhere. When I hit Fulton St. (I think) I could finally get over to Broadway to see the damage. There was rubble 20 stories high. It’s a sight I can’t even explain. It was a complete disaster. I was in total shock. That’s when I saw WTC7 on fire. I didn’t even notice it at first. There was hot dust and debris raining down, thick smoke billowing overhead. Building 7 wasn’t even a blip on my radar. But then I noticed it. It was on fire like the towering inferno. I mean flames were everywhere. I thought there were flames coming out on all floors, but I guess that’s because of all of the smoke. I kept looking at the building. It had so much debris up against it, and I mean big huge chucks of debris. Without you actually being there, you just can’t get the enormous scale of the disaster. The twisted steel and chunks of concrete were just so huge that my mind couldn’t comprehend it. And these were piled up against the building and sticking out of it at some levels. I can’t stress enough how enormous these beams and debris were. All of the pictures show the pile, but without actually seeing it, it is truly indescribable. WTC7 had granite of marble façade and there were HUGE cracks going up and down the façade too.

Anyway, I was looking at WTC7 and I noticed that it wasn’t looking like it was straight. It was really weird. The closest corner to me (the SE corner) was kind of out of whack with the SW corner. It was impossible to tell whether that corner (the SW) was leaning over more or even if it was leaning the other way. With all of the smoke and the debris pile, I couldn’t exactly tell what was going on, but I sure could see the building was leaning over in a way it certainly should not be. I asked another guy looking with me and he said “That building is going to come down, we better get out of here.” So we did.

I walked down Fulton to try to get on to the Brooklyn Bridge. Cops told me it was closed, even though there were people walking on it. So I had to then walk uptown to the Manhattan Bridge. There were literally thousands of people walking across the bridge. It looked like refugees. As I was walking over the bridge, we all heard a Jet screaming. This is absolutely the worst part of the whole day for me. Time stopped. No one made a sound. It was the scariest thing I have ever felt. I thought, “It’s another plane, that’s what I’d do if I were a terrorist. Wait until everyone is evacuating and hit the bridges.” I truly thought my life was over. You know how they say your life flashes before your eyes? Well it’s true. I saw every victory and every tragedy I’d ever experienced. And I thought to myself, “well, I’ve had a good life, I only wish I’d have been able to see my child born (my wife was 4.5 months pregnant). Then I saw it was an F-15 and all of a sudden, all was well. I truly felt like I had been given a new life.

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WTC 7, BIG FIRES - Made the building collapse with the help of, gravity. If 911 was at night, the fires would look much bigger than all the night fires 911 truth post, ironically a few in buildings that don't exist, never used again after the fires. No evidence 911 truth, lost.

911 truth is Lost in Space, and the "best" leaders of 911 truth are busy lining their pockets with money by spreading false information to a fringe few. It is called capitalism, buyer beware, and truth movement followers are not skeptics, they are gullible. Quibble about smoke, as WTC 7 fails due to fire, in a gravity collapse. What was your point? What are you going to do with your 911 claims? Nothing
 
Childlike Empress said:
You just can't handle da twoof. ;)

My claim was that the bulk of the smoke comes from WTC3 and the tower ruins. Which is correct and not rebutted by what you've posted. I've seen those videos before.
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This is not a new point, it is also not an accurate analysis of the WTC 7 fires, it's really a deflection.

But I will give you top marks for evading the OP and demonstrating its dominance over your tactics. :)
 
Childlike Empress said:
You just can't handle da twoof. ;)

My claim was that the bulk of the smoke comes from WTC3 and the tower ruins. Which is correct and not rebutted by what you've posted. I've seen those videos before.
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Where did you study and what are your qualifications? Care to give me your full theory regarding the events of 911?
 
daffy, asking for qualifications is old, and derailing the derail. There is no gain in this!
 
Walkyrie, when will you explain how explosions are anomalous in large fires? I want your argument not someone else's.
 
the Controlled Demolition of the World Trade Center on 9/11 WAS A INSIDE JOB, Made Organised and Orchestrated by the US government with the help of israeli mossad


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