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"Atheism is a superstition."

Nihilianth said:
I honestly have no idea how to even begin to answer this question, except to say that of course we do not know the mind of God, and we should never make the claim that we do. I think, rather, that GWIMW is sort of apt.

How can a finite human, with finite knowledge and imperfection ever understand a being that is perfect, omnicscient, and knowledgeable in every conceivable way?
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Bad vibe said:
So this entity is "perfect,omnicscient, and knowledeable in every concievable way" how do you know? did it submit some kind of resume? You cannot claim it beyond human comprehension and then define it.
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Yep, claiming god is O3 then saying god is beyond our knowledge is a contradiction.
 
and ascended into heaven,
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You understand that, according to the NT, the ascention was just that- a lteral "Flying up".

Does the fact that people at that time believed that Heaven was literally above the sky not give you just a tweak of suspicion about this story?
 
They also think that everyone who ever lived and died will actually get up out of the ground and walk amongst us... well some do anyways.

Polytheism of the Pantheonic Gods isn't a superstition anymore because we agree that it's a bunch of B.S. and we did so because it was nonsensical.

Why then do you think that anything "supernatural" such as God is NOT nonsensical. So far in all of existence there has not been one supernatural event; and if you want to get into "creation" itself it's not supernatural, it's yet to be explained by natural methods. The universe however is very natural, and obeys fundamental natural laws.

Why then actually believe and define God to be supernatural if that also makes him nonsensical, because if he's nonsensical, then surely as the Pantheon was nonsensical, then so is God/YHWH. THAT is why I am an atheist, because God itself is a nonsense idea.
 
Nihilianth said:
The lack of evidence isn't evidence for or against anything. It is just merely "the lack of evidence."
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Unless it would be expected to be there, in which case it supports the idea that the thing in question doesn't exist.

It's all moot, anyway. We shouldn't assume something exists when there's no evidence in favour of it, anyway.

Also, God is internally inconsistent and doesn't actually explain anything.
 
Nihilianth said:
Uh, let's look clsoely at this dumb little line of conversation for a minute:
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Sooooo......what you are saying is, using the Bible to argue whether or not God is real is not stupid? I am quite perplexed.

I think, in conclusion, you are being argumentative, just for the sake of not wanting to ever agree with anything a theist has to say about anything whatsoever. Therefore, it seems any and all conversation with you is completely moot, as you will just disagree with anything I say out of hand by default as a knee-jerk reaction.

That was the very first time, and probably the ONLY time, I will ever see any atheist ever say something like that. :eye-poppi

(Unless I am terribly confused, due to you being completely unclear as to what you may have meant to say.)
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So if you're not confused, I'm wrong. And if you're confused, I'm being unclear. It can't possibly be an error on your part.

Anyway, the point is that this particular God can be shown to not exist because the story depicting it is all sorts of wrong. If there is a god, and there isn't, then it isn't that one.
 
Just a general response to the O.P., haven't read the entire thread yet:

I do not deny that there may be more to life than meets the eye. I do not deny that there may be forces out there which I do not know about.

However, nor am I likely to believe just any fool's false claims of knowledge in such matters. As far as I have ever been able to tell no one knows more of "spiritual" matters than I do. I leave it to the claimants to prove me wrong, and so far, no one has.

Thus, I am an atheist, and will be until someone can actually prove something about some kind of spiritual or supernatural force. I'm not holding my breath.
 
CriticalSock said:
These two statements are mutually exclusive. Can you tell me which one of them is a lie please?
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Agnostic theist: doesn't know, does believe. I don't see a contradiction between admitting the evidence and arguments for God and Jesus aren't robust enough to justify a knowledge claim and believing in their existence anyway for emotional or intuitive reasons. Might be more accurate to say 'agnostic Christian' though.
 
Mister Agenda said:
Agnostic theist: doesn't know, does believe. I don't see a contradiction between admitting the evidence and arguments for God and Jesus aren't robust enough to justify a knowledge claim and believing in their existence anyway for emotional or intuitive reasons. Might be more accurate to say 'agnostic Christian' though.
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Intuitive reasons? How is wishful thinking "intuitive"?
 
TjW said:
I dunno if it's psychosis. The underlying behavior is certainly the same, and easy to identify.
It's assuming a conclusion is true, and then rejecting any evidence that doesn't agree with the belief.
Thus, we have JAQ twoofers, and Christians with a god of the gaps.
If you disagree with them, then you are on the other side. The twoofers will call you a shill, the religious will name you as corrupted by Satan.
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It may not be a classically severe psychosis, but it's certainly the seeds of full-blown mental illness, or at least fuel for that fire. But, in the end, the results are the same, so I'll carry on calling it that.
 
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The superstition of atheism

Of course, it's not quite fair to say that atheists believe in nothing. They do believe in something — the philosophical theory known as Materialism, which states that the only thing that exists is matter; that all substances and all phenomena in the universe are purely physical.

The problem is that this really isn't a theory at all. It's a superstition; a myth that basically says that everything in life — our thoughts, our emotions, our hopes, our ambitions, our passions, our memories, our philosophies, our politics, our beliefs in God and salvation and damnation — that all of this is merely the result of biochemical reactions and the movement of molecules in our brain.

What nonsense.

We can't reduce the whole of reality to what our senses tell us for the simple reason that our senses are notorious for lying to us. Our senses tell us that the world is flat, and yet it's not. Our senses tell us that the world is chaotic, and yet we know that on both a micro and a macro level, it's incredibly organized. Our senses tell us that we're stationary, and yet we're really moving at incredible speeds. We just can't see it.
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I'd have to say that materialism cannot be true, because anyone who has legitimate faith, displays fundamental goodness - which indicates that the person has within him, unassailable perfection. Now if a person has perfection, and the material universe is imperfect, that aspect of the person must come from beyond our material universe - indicating, as I stated before, there must be something beyond matter.

Regarding atheism, it is definitely a belief system, as many of its tenets cannot be proven, and in fact, many of its tenets have been disproven - but its subscribers still believe in the system. To show the irrationality of atheism, its subscribers, while mired in imperfection, try to determine the truth about things, when their imperfect minds can only produce imperfect thoughts and solutions, which can be anything but the truth. The only shot atheists and everyone else has at knowing the truth, is by attaining perfection; and only beings fitting the description of God can supply it to them. Therefore mankind’s only rational choice, is to roll the dice and have faith, and see if it does in fact produce the perfection it claims. If a person does this, and sees that faith does indeed produce perfection, then he will realize that it is the only possible option there is, to escape the imperfection of this world, and to know the truth.
 
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