StopSylvia email: "Hummmmmm"

Cavemonster said:
Asking you to show your evidence is childish :boggled:
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Well, you should be happy i am giving Robert a chance to be honest before going any further, i happen to think thats rather nice of me. Also i'm in work, i would only be able to access the evidence at home. So even if i told you, you would just demand to see proof, which i couldnt provide until later anyway.
 
mushy said:
Do you think a site with the tagline

"Is she a well-intentioned spiritual leader, with actual psychic powers? Is she a fraud, making money by callously manipulating and using the bereaved? Or is she something else entirely?"

and then proceeds to post only negative stories recieved via anonymous email and only verified by facebook and gut feeling fair?

And before you start, i know there are other sites with say nice stuff about her, however, we are talking about this site. So far, as far as i can see, you can't excuse it so you go round in circles and try to derail the thread.

You would laugh if some Conspiracy theorist tried to do this. Thats why you are all hypocrites.
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Conspiracy theorists do not make reasonable claims. "Sylvia Browne does not have the magic powers she claims to have" is a reasonable claim.

We're talking here about a woman who went on national television and told a family that their missing daughter has been sold into sexual slavery in Japan. With absolutely no basis. And having admitted she's not right "all the time". What kind of twisted person would do something like that?

Someone like this MUST BE STOPPED, if there is a shred of decency in the world. You seem to think she should be coddled. I say she has been coddled enough. In fact, her whole life has been an exercise in being coddled. She's rude, she's arrogant, she tells people nasty things that aren't true, and people LOVE her for it.

Don't tell me that RSL's site should jump on the bandwagon and coddle her even MORE. She's had enough. It's time for some cold, hard, reality.

If visitor's to StopSylvia.com can't handle reality, then glowingly complientary websites about Sylvia are just a Google search away.
 
mushy said:
Also in the interest of fairness, i'll ask robert again, has he ever recieved ANY emails that praised Sylvia ?
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Do a search of the forums, you'll find several.

Here are a few he has posted on StopSylvia:

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/novusspiritus_aprelateresponds.shtml
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/email_jewelryquestion.shtml
http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/email_lindarossi.shtml

I especially encourage you to look at this one:

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/email_rosannamontage.shtml

This is a perfect example of why we all respect Robert so much here at the JREF forums. Unlike most of us grumpy cynics, he demonstrated admirable restraint in gently and kindly leading this woman, over a period of a year, out of the pit of Sylvia's con job
and towards the truth. This is the kind of interaction I try to emulate when I deal with true believers. I rarely succeed.
 
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mushy said:
Well, you should be happy i am giving Robert a chance to be honest before going any further, i happen to think thats rather nice of me. Also i'm in work, i would only be able to access the evidence at home. So even if i told you, you would just demand to see proof, which i couldnt provide until later anyway.
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I'm not happy.
If Robert is indeed a liar as you accuse, I'd like to know instead of being teased with the prospect. If he's not as I suspect, then you are being quite rude and wasting our time and energy.

I'm a critical thinking kind of guy, so I'm happy when people straightforwardly back up their claims with evidence.

When people do little rhetorical dances and make accusations and hints of evidence they can't supply right now, that makes me less happy :(

You really want to be a nice guy? You really want to make people happy? Don't play games, just state your case.

It really is that simple.
 
Are you happy for me to state my case and not provide evidence? Or would you hold on and allow me time to get it?
 
mushy said:
Just waiting for Robert to respond first.
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Robert already has responded to the accusation that he gets positive emails he doesn't publish. You have since simply repeated your accusation, not provided a counter-argument or evidence to the contrary.
 
mushy said:
Are you happy for me to state my case and not provide evidence? Or would you hold on and allow me time to get it?
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Why not state your case now and supply the evidence later?

You're being very uneconomic right now with both your time and ours. Instead of telling us several times now that you couldn't provide the evidence now, why not instead state your case, let us know what the evidence will be, and just add it later?

As far as I can tell, any evidence for your claims must equate to knowledge about e-mails that have been sent to Robert and their specific content.

So, just tell us what you have, e.g.:

"I have seen on a website where someone complained they had send an e-mail to Robert but it never got published. The poster was stating they thought Sylvia's reading was extremely accurate. I can link to the site later when I am at home, and the forum contains a copy of the e-mail."

(In this case I would argue that there is no evidence the mail was ever send and the content doesn't look like a case at all, unless there would be way more details within the actual mail.)
 
Joey McGee said:
mushy said:
So in order to post success stories you need emails backed by verifyable evidence. But if you recieve an email saying that she took $700 off you and you feel robbed, you post that without any evidence?

Lol you guys have the worst double standards
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You have the worst reasoning skills.
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Yeah, but he would put his trolling skillz up against anybody.
 
mushy said:
Sure. I saw alot of statements in that post and only one question which was



Yes, i have. Awful color scheme and awful layout. You can tell he has no real knowledge of html or any php/css/mysql/javascript/jquery
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How is that a constructive piece of criticism? Discuss the content, not the appearance.
 
mushy said:
Sure. I saw alot of statements in that post and only one question which was <snip>
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Ah, so you missed where I asked you
tuoni said:
You do know there's more than just "negative stories recieved via anonymous email and only verified by facebook and gut feeling" on RSL's site, right?
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and then qualified that question with

tuoni said:
There are fully researched, backed up investigations taken directly from transcripts of Sylvia's own words and then verified through reliable sources (police reports, etc.). You seem to think StopSylvia just consists of emails when that's REALLY not what it's about at all...
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It seems to me that because you are unable to counter any of the researched and referenced stuff on the site, you choose to focus, instead, on emails which come with a disclaimer stating they are the opinions of the sender, then characterising the entire site as those handful of emails. That's... disingenuous... at best
 
mushy said:
Yes, i have. Awful color scheme and awful layout. You can tell he has no real knowledge of html or any php/css/mysql/javascript/jquery
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And with that, you've demonstrated why no one should take any of your criticism as anything more than trolling.
 
How is that a constructive piece of criticism? Discuss the content, not the appearance.
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Well, if you were to vist a site asking you for your credit card info, and it looked like it had been designed by a child with web 1.0 graphics, would you enter your info? Looks are relevent when making a decision.

Ah, so you missed where I asked you
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Oh, that didn't sound like a real question, it came across as a smug rhetorical one. Thats why i didn't answer.
 
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