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Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

Call me crass and evil, but I couldn't care less if Osama was standing alone and naked as his daughter begged for his life as he were shot. If anybody ever had it coming, it was him.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
JJM is a she? :o
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I could be wrong (I've been wrong before), but I get the impression that a lot of truthers with feminine screen names or avatars are actually guys. If the subject comes up, they do nothing to deny or confirm their sex.

It would be consistent with their paranoid state of mind. It's a way of further obfuscating their true identity.
 
Skeptic said:
Call me crass and evil, but I couldn't care less if Osama was standing alone and naked as his daughter begged for his life as he were shot. If anybody ever had it coming, it was him.
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Yes, I'm happy regardless. But, if the unarmed version is true, it's even better that he did not get the honor of going down fighting.
 
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lionking said:
How was bin Laden's death a "political assassination"?
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He wasn't engaged in combat, and yet he was shot without a request to surrender. That's an assassination, and I would consider the political aspect self-explanatory.
 
stokes234 said:
He wasn't engaged in combat, and yet he was shot without a request to surrender. That's an assassination, and I would consider the political aspect self-explanatory.
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Questionable. Bin laden certianly described himself as a combatant who was at war with the US and if we accept that then the US to shoot him without requesting a surrender.
 
JihadJane said:
Bin Laden’s Daughter Confirms
Father Captured Alive Then Killed By US Special Forces
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So Bin Laden, who swore to Allah to never surrender but to go down in a hail of gunfire, inspiring his followers to sacrifice their lives, was all ready to flee with money sewed into his jacket, and didn't dare pick up his gun when troops arrived.

A coward after all.
 
geni said:
Questionable. Bin laden certianly described himself as a combatant who was at war with the US and if we accept that then the US to shoot him without requesting a surrender.
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on the territory of a nation that is neutral wrt that particular war and that is not in a separate war with the US?
 
aggle-rithm said:
I could be wrong (I've been wrong before), but I get the impression that a lot of truthers with feminine screen names or avatars are actually guys. If the subject comes up, they do nothing to deny or confirm their sex.

It would be consistent with their paranoid state of mind. It's a way of further obfuscating their true identity.
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When dealing with conspiracy theorists, set your mind to internet-dating-mode, excluding (maybe) the FBI Agents part.
 
Rasmus said:
on the territory of a nation that is neutral wrt that particular war and that is not in a separate war with the US?
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Pakistan is, officially, on the side of the USA in this particular war. OBL was behind enemy lines, so to speak. Fully justified combat.
 
elgarak said:
Pakistan is, officially, on the side of the USA in this particular war. OBL was behind enemy lines, so to speak. Fully justified combat.
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And the government is no doubt thankful to have the issue dealt with for them, so they didn't have to either do it themselves and suffer consequences from their residents who liked Bin Laden and his cause, or fail to do it and suffer the wrath of everyone else. They can now sit back and complain about how uppity America is, while being secretly grateful to be absolved of the blame.
 
Rasmus said:
on the territory of a nation that is neutral wrt that particular war and that is not in a separate war with the US?
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History suggests that the correct protocol in such cases is that a formal protest be sent by the neutral nation which will be read with disinterest before being filed under "lost".

Admitedly this usualy comes up when the neutral nation has failed to intern say a cruiser.
 
geni said:
Well under UK law the penalty of for mass murder is life in prison rather than summary execution. See Harold Shipman for example
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Well luckily Bin Laden wasn't captured or tried by the British,so that's irrelevant and so are the comments by the wet lettuce Rowan Williams.



geni said:
Err if what he said about shariah law pisses you off then you are rejecting some rather fundimental priciples of english and welsh civil law.
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How am I doing that?

I'm not sure how being pissed off at something equals "rejecting some rather fundamental principles of English and Welsh civil law".
 
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Red3 said:
Well luckily Bin Laden wasn't captured or tried by the British,so that's irrelevant and so are the comments by the wet lettuce Rowan Williams.
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And yet you are talking about them. If you are not made uncomfortable about goverments getting involved with extra judical killings you clearly have a lot of faith in them.


How am I doing that?

I'm not sure how being pissed off at something equals "rejecting some rather fundamental principles of English and Welsh civil law".
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A fundimental principle of english and welsh civil law is that civil dissputes can be settled by any mechanism that both parties agree to. Thats is what Rowan Williams was talking about.
 
stokes234 said:
Being uncomfortable with political assassination is a perfectly legitimate ethical stance. On balance I agree with his shooting, but I can understand why people would oppose it.
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I give the soldiers who were there risking their lives the benefit of the doubt in their decision to shoot. If Bin Laden didn't raise his hands to surrender in the first 2 seconds, if OBL made a move toward anything but obvious surrender, split second decisions are part of the deal when you risk your life on a mission such as this one.

So the ethics are misplaced being out of context, not having been there. The Archbishop's position is based on a hypothetical scenario and yet he gives his opinion as if he knows the facts.
 
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gumboot said:
The Spartan DX cannot do DNA matching to identify a human being. It's designed to rapidly detect the presence of things like HIV or other foreign bodies.
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OK, that model looks for a specific genetic marker, but this one has broader uses:

New Portable DNA Screener, and they went back to a ship which could have easily had rapid DNA testing capability on board.

DHS to begin using portable DNA screener this summer; Published 1 March 2011
DHS this summer plans to begin testing a DNA analyzer that is small enough to be easily portable and fast enough to return results in less than an hour.

The analyzer, about the size of a laser printer, initially will be used to determine kinship among refugees and asylum seekers. It also could help establish whether foreigners giving children up for adoption are their parents or other relatives, and help combat child smuggling and human trafficking, said Christopher Miles, biometrics program manager in the DHS Office of Science and Technology.
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That was a month ago. I don't know what they used, only that the technology is most likely available and capable.
 
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Belz... said:
Short version: I stated that, from what I knew, it seemed like they didn't want him alive. Then you threw a tantrum about how I claimed to know stuff I couldn't know. I said I did no such thing. Grow up.
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That is not what you stated. You said it was your understanding, then you said your understanding was based on the thread.

All I said was the thread contained no actual evidence, only supposition. Now you say you meant supposition. Why did what I said bother you? Why didn't you just clarify that you did mean supposition and never meant to imply "understanding" was based on actual evidence?

You are griping over my interpretation of what you meant by "understanding". A waste of thread space, IMO.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
OK, that model looks for a specific genetic marker, but this one has broader uses:

New Portable DNA Screener, and they went back to a ship which could have easily had rapid DNA testing capability on board.

DHS to begin using portable DNA screener this summer; Published 1 March 2011(emphasis mine)

That was a month ago. I don't know what they used, only that the technology is most likely available and capable.
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They could easily have asked for and received a working prototype.
 
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