Bin Laden Dead Truthers Mourn

KDLarsen said:
Breaking across the news networks at the moment. We won't know anything for certain until Obama has made his statement.

In any case, bin Ladin doesn't matter to the truthers anyway, they'll either just ignore it or claim that he has been stored in a freezer for the past 10 years. That, or they'll call it a 'May Surprise' designed to deflect from the whole Birther nonsense.
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By all means, apply for the million dollars. The twoofers have already done exactly what you said the would do, through no lesser methane vent than Alex Jones.
 
The Charnel Expanse said:
I nonetheless have every expectation that it'll be leaked through back-channels [WikiLeaks, anyone?]
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I just texted Julian Assange. He says the alleged photo is the 'fat' Bin Laden, obviously the body double and not the real OBL - who was killed 10 years ago in Tora Bora anyway.

Hope that clears things up! :)
 
On a serious note, I see that comments on NYTimes regarding President Obama's decision not to show the photos is pretty positive overall.

Here's a couple which I think summarizes most people's sentiments well:

'It says a lot about America that we can show some dignity and respect for someone even as heinous as Bin Laden. The man is dead. Justice has been done. There is no need to gloat.'

'I am very relieved to hear of the President's very civilized and mature decision'

My thoughts exactly. Take the high road. OBL is dead - good riddance and let's get on with pursuing the rest of the Al Qaeda motley crew.
 
ladmo said:
What makes me skeptical of this story is that our soldiers are not instructed to bury the killed enemy in Muslim tradition.
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The only time I sat through a class on that sort of thing years ago, we were instructed never to multilate the body of an enemy or help outrselves to their personal posessions for self-enrichment. Graves Registration would handle the body and make all due efforts to either return the bodies to next of kin or bury the remains in a decent manner, preferrably with a cleric of the appropriate faith in attendance.

Obviously, handing OBL's remains to his family was not an otion and there is no way you hand them to people who would have something to gain by mutilating them and blaming us.

Why start with this ******* bin laden? The criminal who was responsible for 3000 deaths, the idiot who incited suicide bombers, et al... yet we want to make sure to bury him in accordance with Muslim tradition?
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We afford our own criminals that right after executing them for even the most horrendous crimes. Killed or captured enemies are entitled to the same.
Doesn't pass the common sense test.
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Most soldiers would question whether your statement meets that standard.
 
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little grey rabbit said:
No, the best idea was to capture him, pump him for intelligence, extract a detail confession if possible, otherwise just try him and execute him - and let his followers see a humiliated bin Laden before a court.

If AQ was a real threat this operation would have been seen at best as a half disaster, a golden opportunity missed.

But for the elites, AQ is nothing more than a hilarious joke on the hoi-polloi, so they knew there was no intelligence to be gained by capturing bin Laden.
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Some people seem to keep assuming that OBL would be taken alive.
Of course, he could be such a coward, but most likely, he would adhere to his principles and die as a martyr.

Hans
 
alienentity said:
Why was he moved to a ship anyway? Anyone know?
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I can speculate.

1. Gets any dead bodies or captured prisoners out of the area immediately.

2. Provides facilities for treating any wounded.

3. Shorter flight for a now-single helicopter with additional load and possible shortage of fuel to make it safely out of the area.

4. Brig facilities to hold any prisoners.

5. Etc.

Just seemed like a smart thing to do, by my way of thinking.
 
Mr. Skinny said:
I can speculate.

1. Gets any dead bodies or captured prisoners out of the area immediately.

2. Provides facilities for treating any wounded.

3. Shorter flight for a now-single helicopter with additional load and possible shortage of fuel to make it safely out of the area.

4. Brig facilities to hold any prisoners.

5. Etc.

Just seemed like a smart thing to do, by my way of thinking.
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And escape or rescue attempts are rendered impossible
 
Completly controlled environment, with lots of firepower at their disposal, just in case.

Makes sense to me from a strategic point of view.
 
Well I think that the military should shift its focus to placating conspiracy theorists; it's the only right thing to do ;)
 
The US Navy has a long tradition of showing respect while burying their enemies at sea. For a recent example see what happened after the Golmar Explorer picked up the bow section of a sunken Soviet Golf class submarine, they found the remains of (eight I think) Soviet sailors inside. They buried them at sea to be with their shipmates at the site and did so with full honors (Soviet flag and anthem) and even videotaped it. After the cold war ended we gave the Russians the tape and they played it on their national TV network. Many Russians were surprised that we gave their dead that level of respect. It wouldn't surprise me if we didn't record the ceremony and that it gets released sometime in the future.

As far as why burial at sea? They were SEALs, SEALs tend to return to ships when done with their mission. Ships bury their dead at sea and have for centuries. Musilm tradition says to bury someone before the sun sets. That's pretty much means burial at sea in that situation. It's just a bonus that there will be no set location for people to pilgrimage to.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
It's just a bonus that there will be no set location for people to pilgrimage to.
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20 leagues under wouldn't be bad place IMO :D

Now would be good time to bust out the fat Bin Laden and delivery a "from the grave" message to his followers. Something along the lines of on May 21st go to the top of the tallest building they can find and take a step off in faith of the cause.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
The US Navy has a long tradition of showing respect while burying their enemies at sea. For a recent example see what happened after the Golmar Explorer picked up the bow section of a sunken Soviet Golf class submarine, they found the remains of (eight I think) Soviet sailors inside. They buried them at sea to be with their shipmates at the site and did so with full honors (Soviet flag and anthem) and even videotaped it. After the cold war ended we gave the Russians the tape and they played it on their national TV network. Many Russians were surprised that we gave their dead that level of respect. It wouldn't surprise me if we didn't record the ceremony and that it gets released sometime in the future.
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I remember seeing that video and being very impressed by it. I don't think this attitude is unique to the US Navy. When I saw a documentary on the sinking of the Bismark, for instance, I got the distinct impression from all witnesses to the event that sailors have a real distaste for killing. Their job is to sink the enemy's ships, not kill the men on them...although that often happens.

In particular, one of the British sailors became very emotional when he described having to leave behind a number of German sailors to die in the water. People who, earlier, had been trying to kill him.

ETA: The movie Das Boot portrays a similar attitude among German sailors. After an enemy ship is set ablaze, they all cheer...then become suddenly sobered when they see the ship's crew dying in the flames.
 
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, though it's pretty obvious.

Truthers are not in mourning over this event. It's conspiracy GOLD.
 
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