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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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NWO Sentryman said:
Err :wwt

West Bank is ruled by the PA, NOT by Netanyahu

Second of all, Netanyahu isn't a dictator.
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If the West Bank is ruled by the PA why do not the criminal squatters in the West Bank pay taxes to the PA?

Why does the jewish military protect the criminal squatters against the PA?

The West Bank is under military rule. It is the jewish military that rules. There is no representation by those ruled so it is a dictatorship.

The supreme authority for the dictatorship is Netanyahu.

Netanyahu is a dictator.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

Any of those living under a dictatorship have an absolute right to kill anyone who has any part of the dictatorship which is any and all Israelis. That principle was established during WWII.
 
a_unique_person said:
Sure it is. He is accusing me of doing something wrong. Just one of the hazards of posting in this thread....
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Nope. He disagreed with your debating tactic, as I disagree with the OCD of yours to turn everything personal and whinge about it, crying foul and attempting, without success for the nth time, to invoke some sort of infringement of the rules on this forum. As you can see, this hasn't occurred. So you are wrong again.

Now you have moved on to another deflection with Joan Peters. Perpetual meatshields part deux.
 
How quickly things change

Two weeks ago: We (Israel) cannot make peace with Abbas because he only represents half the Palestinians.

Today: We cannot make peace with Abbas because he represents all the Palestinians.
 
Some things change more slowly

1968 thru 2005: The squattertowns (settlements) are legal because they are for the defense of Israel and thus fall under the military purpose exception for the occupation military government.

2005 to present: The squattertowns are legal because the land is not occupied and we are desperate to find someone willing to dispute this.
 
Virus said:
Because it's a load of ass.
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The ruler of the West Bank is a general in the IDF -- military.

The law is whatever he dictates -- dictatorship.

He is a military dictator running a dictatorship.

He ultimately reports to Netanyahu the dictator in chief.

Why are izziehuggers so desperate to avoid calling a jew a dictator?

Op-ed writers for Israeli newspapers make no bones about it being a military dictatorship and it is certainly a jewish military dictatorship.

If you dare object to the jewish military dictatorship you hate Jews.

If you even dare call it what it is you hate Jews.

If you don't believe the Jews once ruled ancient Egypt you hate Jews.

One cannot be on the side of reality and not hate Jews.
 
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a_unique_person said:
I'll ask again. Was Joan Peters wrong when she claimed.

*There are no Palestinians
*There was no Palestine.

I think your map showed there is.
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Palestinians are first mentioned in history by Herodotus in the mid 5th c. BC. Jews are first mentioned in history in 67BC. By the physical evidence Palestinians were around centuries before Judeans.
 
Matt Giwer said:
The ruler of the West Bank is a general in the IDF -- military.

The law is whatever he dictates -- dictatorship.

He is a military dictator running a dictatorship.

He ultimately reports to Netanyahu the dictator in chief.

Why are izziehuggers so desperate to avoid calling a jew a dictator?

Op-ed writers for Israeli newspapers make no bones about it being a military dictatorship and it is certainly a jewish military dictatorship.

If you dare object to the jewish military dictatorship you hate Jews.

If you even dare call it what it is you hate Jews.

If you don't believe the Jews once ruled ancient Egypt you hate Jews.

One cannot be on the side of reality and not hate Jews.
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Do many dictators you know of have an independant judiciary who inconveniently tell him what to do or not do from time to time? What about those pesky things called elections. And how many dictators do you know of that would be out of power in 2 minutes if members of his supporting coalition walked away.

You seem to be simply attempting to troll people with the term "dictator"....
 
The Fool said:
Do many dictators you know of have an independant judiciary who inconveniently tell him what to do or not do from time to time? What about those pesky things called elections. And how many dictators do you know of that would be out of power in 2 minutes if members of his supporting coalition walked away.

You seem to be simply attempting to troll people with the term "dictator"....
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I am using the term dictator correctly.

The dictator of the West Bank is appointed by the IDF, not elected by the people.

In this world the powers of the government arise only from the consent of the governed. The governed have never consented to dictatorial military rule.

The judiciary is not a part of the government of the people of the West Bank so its existence is immaterial to the matter of the dictatorship. Besides, if you read Israeli newspapers you find the dictatorship ignores the courts so it makes no difference in any event.

The people of the West Bank are ruled by a military dictator who does in fact run a jewish dictatorship in the West Bank.

There are no mitigating factors. EVERY definition of dictator and military and jewish is satisfied.

Sic Semper Tyrannis!
 
mortimer said:
Ah, so the neo-Nazi has come to this thread as well. i don't know why y'all continue to feed the troll. Oh, just like most neo-Nazis, he hates black people as well. What a fine specimen.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/giwer-antisemite-060896.html

Just put him on ignore. And don't respond to him, so I don't have to read his racist propaganda second-hand.
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So now those who are willing to honestly call a dictator a dictator only tell the truth because Jews are perfect and cannot possibly support a dictatorship -- even though jewish commentators in Israeli newspapers also say the West Bank is a dictatorship.

You may attempt to change the subject but the fact remains it is a jewish military dictatorship with Netanyahu as the dictator in chief.
 
Matt Giwer said:
I am using the term dictator correctly.
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I disagree.

The dictator of the West Bank is appointed by the IDF, not elected by the people.
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The IDF is answerable to the executive...The commander can be relieved anytime. Under a rule of law enforced by the Judiciary....Its known as separation of powers. You may disagree with military occupation but its not the same as a dictatorship....

Question for you....was Bush the dictator of Afganistan prior to the elections, or the dictator of Iraq prior to the elections?
 
The Fool said:
I disagree.
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But you give no disagreement.

The IDF is answerable to the executive...The commander can be relieved anytime. Under a rule of law enforced by the Judiciary....Its known as separation of powers. You may disagree with military occupation but its not the same as a dictatorship....
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The Generals who were in charge of the General Government of Poland during WWII were running military dictatorships. They also could be removed at any time by the civilian dictator in Berlin. What is the difference? You might as well be arguing that was not a dictatorship either.

All this prattling about the courts is nonsense. Israel courts only have jurisdiction where the laws of Israel apply. Israeli civil law has never been extended to the West Bank. Just what do you imagine they adjudicate?

Even in occupied Jerusalem where the war crime of extending civil law has been perpetrated via criminal annexation and where the courts are supposedly adjudicating civil law their decisions are ignored by the civilian government of Jerusalem. What you should learn some day is the decisions of the courts are only honored by the government when the matter is between two Jews.

So not only de jura but de facto the courts are impotent in this matter.

Now if you can show me that the Israeli military would leave if Abbas requests it then you may have a case that it is not a dictatorship.
 
Matt Giwer said:
But you give no disagreement.
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yes I did....and you quoted it in the same post.


The Generals who were in charge of the General Government of Poland during WWII were running military dictatorships. They also could be removed at any time by the civilian dictator in Berlin. What is the difference? You might as well be arguing that was not a dictatorship either.
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but they did indeed have a dictator in charge...Hitler. Hitler was not subject to the German Judiciary in the same way Netanyahu is....also Hitler was not the leader of a coalition that could change and remove him at any time.

All this prattling about the courts is nonsense. Israel courts only have jurisdiction where the laws of Israel apply. Israeli civil law has never been extended to the West Bank. Just what do you imagine they adjudicate?
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so am I imagining things when I see the High court overrule the dictator (IDF) on where the wall is built in the west bank??

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/15/ap/middleeast/main4669293.shtml


Even in occupied Jerusalem where the war crime of extending civil law has been perpetrated via criminal annexation and where the courts are supposedly adjudicating civil law their decisions are ignored by the civilian government of Jerusalem. What you should learn some day is the decisions of the courts are only honored by the government when the matter is between two Jews.

So not only de jura but de facto the courts are impotent in this matter.

Now if you can show me that the Israeli military would leave if Abbas requests it then you may have a case that it is not a dictatorship.
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as you see no difference between military occupation and civil dictatorship you use evidence for the existance of one to support the claimed existance of the other.

If the Israeli ruling executive collapsed tomorrow and the new leader ordered the IDF to do something they would be bound by Israeli rule of law to do it.....So the continued military occupation which you seem to equate to a civilian dictatorship is subject to the changing winds of Israeli democratic processes and rule of law. I don't know of too many dictatorships that are subject to removal in that way.....Not being subject to that sort of thing is kind of required for your average dictatorship.


you missed my question

"Question for you....was Bush the dictator of Afganistan prior to the elections, or the dictator of Iraq prior to the elections? "
 
mortimer said:
Ah, so the neo-Nazi has come to this thread as well. i don't know why y'all continue to feed the troll. Oh, just like most neo-Nazis, he hates black people as well. What a fine specimen.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/giwer-antisemite-060896.html

Just put him on ignore. And don't respond to him, so I don't have to read his racist propaganda second-hand.
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Virus said:
Edit: Mortimer got there first.
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Hey...you guys are only smearing him because he's anti-Israel. Everybody who's anti-Israel gets smeared like that!

;)
 
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