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Merged Osama bin Laden dead,

PhreePhly said:
My understanding, from friends who have served in special forces, that a "kill mission" is one where the killing is not questioned. There will be no hearings afterwards regarding "unjustified" or preventable, or any other worries for the operator. It is known by all players that people will die and that the SP operatives are to take out any and all threats. Any show of resistance will be met with deadly force.

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A Vietnam vet told me of missions he was on, where the caterpillar tractors to be used to dig the trenches for everyone killed were part of the attack team.
 
Cain said:
I find it difficult to believe that Obama gave this order. Here's what really happened: Someone in the military headed the operation -- a Republican, most likely -- and when it was a fait accompli, Obama swept in and took the credit (as usual).
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And you know this how ?
 
mortimer said:
Here's a question for those more familiar with the U.S. Special Forces. Why the SEALs and not one of the other special forces units?
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Looks like they're one of the top two:

Subordinate Commands

Joint Special Operations Command
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Units

The Army 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (Combat Applications Group (CAG), Delta Force) is the first of the two primary counter-terrorist units of JSOC and SOCOM.[45] Modeled after the British Special Operations force Special Air Service, Delta is arguably one of the best SOF in the world.[46] This is because of Delta's stringent training and selection process. Delta recruits primarily from the most talented and highly skilled operators in the Army Special Forces and the 75th Ranger Regiment although CAG will take anyone and everyone that can pass their screening.[23][46] Recruits must pass a rigid selection course before beginning training. Delta has received training from numerous U.S. government agencies and other tier one SOF and has created a curriculum based on this training and techniques that it has developed.[46] Delta conducts clandestine and covert special operations all over the world.[46] It has the capability to conduct a myriad of special operations missions but specializes in counter-terrorism and hostage rescue operations.[23][45][47]

Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU, SEAL Team 6) is the second of the two primary counter-terrorist units of JSOC and SOCOM.[45] DEVGRU is the Naval Special Warfare's counter-part to Delta. Like Delta, DEVGRU recruits the best operators from the best units in its branch, the Navy SEALs. DEVGRU is also capable of performing any type of special operations mission, but trains especially for maritime counter-terrorist operations.[23][45]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Operations_Command#Subordinate_Commands
 
Belz... said:
That's how I understand it as well. I don't think they wanted him alive.
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Considering how the founder of SEAL Team Six has stated in print more than once that he did not intend for his shooters to bring terrorists back alive, that's probably accurate.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Ummm.... Skeptic Ginger's not a truther. I apologize if that was not your claim, but it sure seemed to be what you were implying.
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I was not trying to paint anyone one person as a truther, the fact that some still exists is what floors me.

I can see how using that quote and adding the line about truthers sounds like I was pointing a finger at Ginger.
 
JihadJane said:
EXTRACT:

Hours later, other administration officials were clarifying Brennan's account. Turns out the woman that was killed on the compound wasn't bin Laden's wife. Bin Laden may have not even been using a human shield. And he might not have even been holding a gun.

Politico's Josh Gerstein adds: "The White House backed away Monday evening from key details in its narrative about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, including claims by senior U.S. officials that the Al Qaeda leader had a weapon and may have fired it during a gun battle with U.S. forces." Gerstein added: "a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed."

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'In bin Laden killing, media -- as usual -- regurgitates false Government claims'

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/03/propaganda_bin_laden
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What false claims, the part where they admitted some early accounts were wrong?

HOW DARE THEY ADMIT THE TRUTH!

Oh and you left out some good parts. Well I think they are good. It's not them admitting they made a mistake and correcting it but it's significant.

One of bin Laden's wives tried to rush the commandos and was shot in the leg. High temperatures caused a lumbering helicopter carrying the raiders to make a hard landing. And as Navy SEALs swept through the compound, they handcuffed those they encountered with plastic zip ties and pressed on in pursuit of their target, code-named Geronimo.

Once bin Laden had been shot, they doubled back to move the prisoners away from the compound before blowing up the downed helicopter.
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So they admitted they released incorrect info, then cleared it up. Regretible but not really unusual. Even Liberals get things wrong and then issue corrections.

You mention the fact that OBL was uinarmed when shot, why not also mention that they safely secured and protected non combatants during the raid. Something that would be extremely dangerous to the operators in the middle of a firefight.
 
Far better to kill him than capture him, who knows how many people would have been kidnapped/killed by OBL sympathizers demanding his release. Best they can get now is the location where the fish were fed.
 
WildCat said:
Far better to kill him than capture him, who knows how many people would have been kidnapped/killed by OBL sympathizers demanding his release. Best they can get now is the location where the fish were fed.
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I was thinking the crabs would be doing the bulk of the decommissioning work.
 
WildCat said:
Far better to kill him than capture him, who knows how many people would have been kidnapped/killed by OBL sympathizers demanding his release. Best they can get now is the location where the fish were fed.
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Don't often agree with you mate but this time its 100%.

I wouldn't even be releasing whereabouts his body was thrown overboard. He needs to vanish....dead and permanently gone.....best result possible. No graves to become shrines for wackjobs.
 
mortimer said:
Here's a question for those more familiar with the U.S. Special Forces. Why the SEALs and not one of the other special forces units?
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It wasn't just any SEAL team, it was SEAL Team Six - apparently they are the cream of the crop even among SEAL teams.

I'm operating under the assumption that there was a big poker game a few months back, with representatives from the Rangers, SEALS, Green Berets, and so on around the table. Looks to me like the SEAL rep went "all in" and won the pot :)
 
The Fool said:
Don't often agree with you mate but this time its 100%.

I wouldn't even be releasing whereabouts his body was thrown overboard. He needs to vanish....dead and permanently gone.....best result possible. No graves to become shrines for wackjobs.
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And agreed as well. With the body buried at sea, there's no shrines, no holy relics, no recruiting tool, no backdrop for motivational videos. Nothing. The only ones that directly benefit from that burial location are the crabs. And the hagfish. :D
 
MattusMaximus said:
It wasn't just any SEAL team, it was SEAL Team Six - apparently they are the cream of the crop even among SEAL teams.

I'm operating under the assumption that there was a big poker game a few months back, with representatives from the Rangers, SEALS, Green Berets, and so on around the table. Looks to me like the SEAL rep went "all in" and won the pot :)
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I'm just glad they all made it back. OBL was not worth one more drop of American blood.
 
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