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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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The Fool said:
Nope...it largely depends on what apologists are around. Nobody is defending one groups wrongs while there is a conga line of apologists for the other. Even someone with a consistant viewpoint is going to end up squabbling with the apologists....

why don't you try being an apologist for Arab Racism?....then you would see that just as many people pick you apart..
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The occupying country can do not right.

The resistance can do no wrong.
 
Matt Giwer said:
The human right to self-determination is not something to be withheld at whim.

That Jews are presently standing in the way of the human right of Palestinians to self-determination by means of an imposed military dictatorship is not in question.
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Er :wwt. I don't recall Israel supportign a military coup in either the West Bank or Gaza and then amkign the ruling juntas their lackey.
 
bigjelmapro said:
Nothing personal about that statement. No smearing involved. Cease with this incessant need of your to use this tactic to deflect.
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Sure it is. He is accusing me of doing something wrong. Just one of the hazards of posting in this thread. A minor accusation, but it's just one more in the general trend. He could agree with me that the colonialists, such as France and Britain, did arbitrarily draw up lines on a map, as they did in Iraq, that made no sense and led to conflict, or anything else. I don't even know what I dodged, since the land the Jordanians now control is what they were given by Britain, not what they 'stole'. The dodge is if that map is evidence that

* There was a Palestine.
* There were Palestinians.


Since Joan Peters claims both statements are false.
 
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Will the useful idiot flotillas and "peace activists" be flocking to Syria to protest the Baath Party's cruel repression of peaceful dissent? Why are they never around when it comes to Arab on Arab slaughter?
 
AUP, what exactly is Palestinian land?

Maybe if we can get this figured out first, it could help us determine who took what from whom, and who has rights to what.
 
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Matt Giwer said:
The human right to self-determination is not something to be withheld at whim.
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What is your opinion of the Jewish right to self-determination?

Matt Giwer said:
That Jews are presently standing in the way of the human right of Palestinians to self-determination by means of an imposed military dictatorship is not in question.
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I think it's very much in question. Palestinian-Arabs were attacking Jews long before the "occupation" of the West Bank and Gaza, and it's disingenuous to ignore the role of Palestinian-Arab violence plays in prolonging the conflict.

Matt Giwer said:
The number of terrorists Israel honors as national heroes is legion.

What is your point?
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Legion? Hardly.

His point is that Hamas shows its ideological alignment with the likes of Osama Bin Laden, which demonstrates how unlikely they are to be able to do anything at all that would move Palestinians towards a peace agreement.


Matt Giwer said:
The occupying country can do not right.

The resistance can do no wrong.
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I think a lot of people on the radical anti-Israel left agree with that, though few have the courage to say it as starkly as you do.
 
Virus said:
Will the useful idiot flotillas and "peace activists" be flocking to Syria to protest the Baath Party's cruel repression of peaceful dissent? Why are they never around when it comes to Arab on Arab slaughter?
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That "useful idiot" who was from a flotilla and was shot in Gaza had cartoons on his website that were anti-Gaddafi and anti-mubarak.
 
I'll ask again. What land would you say the Palestinians have a right to, or are owed, and what is the extend of it that was allegedly stolen from them?

If you deflect this again I'm going to put you on ignore for good.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Er :wwt. I don't recall Israel supportign a military coup in either the West Bank or Gaza and then amkign the ruling juntas their lackey.
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How can anyone pretending to participate in this discussion miss the fact that the West Bank is a jewish military dictatorship?

How can anyone miss Netanyahu is a dictator?

Dictators can do no right.

Resistance to dictators can do no wrong.

What is your problem?
 
Virus said:
Will the useful idiot flotillas and "peace activists" be flocking to Syria to protest the Baath Party's cruel repression of peaceful dissent? Why are they never around when it comes to Arab on Arab slaughter?
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NO international agency has ever complained about what Israel does to its own citizens.

The complaints have all been about what Israel does to those it holds under its jewish military dictatorship who are not its citizens.

How can you pretend to participate and not recognize Netanyahu is a dictator who can do no right while the resistance to his dictatorship can do no wrong?
 
Matt Giwer said:
How can anyone pretending to participate in this discussion miss the fact that the West Bank is a jewish military dictatorship?

How can anyone miss Netanyahu is a dictator?

Dictators can do no right.

Resistance to dictators can do no wrong.

What is your problem?
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Err :wwt

West Bank is ruled by the PA, NOT by Netanyahu

Second of all, Netanyahu isn't a dictator.
 
Mycroft said:
What is your opinion of the Jewish right to self-determination?
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Exactly the same as the Palestinian right to self-determination being prevented by the Jewish dictatorship over the Palestinians.

All rights are equal. If Jews who escaped Nazism have property claims then so also do Palestinians who escaped Zionism.

All rights are equal. There are no superior Jewish rights. That means Jews have no right to hold millions of non-jews under a military dictatorship.

It means Netanyahu has no right right to be a dictator. Nor did any of his predecessors have the right to be war criminal dictators.

What is it you are missing about what Israel claims is a fact?
 
Mycroft said:
Legion? Hardly.
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The definition of terrorist is the use of violence to obtain a political objective. That is all members of the Irgun, Stern Gang, Hagannah as well as the dozens of splinter groups and everyone who supported them. It includes all the terrorists Israel has elected to office including all of their Prime Ministers and Presidents as supporters of terrorism.

Legion has a meaning. There are many legions of jewish terrorists whom Israel honors. There faux independence day is coming. Listen to the speeches lauding the terrorists.
 
Pardalis said:
I'll ask again. What land would you say the Palestinians have a right to, or are owed, and what is the extend of it that was allegedly stolen from them?

If you deflect this again I'm going to put you on ignore for good.
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One starts with the assumption that Jews and Palestinians have the same rights. Then we look as Jewish claims from European countries before, during and after WWII. We then say the same claims with the same standard of justice are due Palestinians.

Was that really so hard?

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. The standard of justice Jews demand for themselves is the standard of justice for Palestinians.

I do not see why Jews find it so hard to admit the same standard of justice they demand is also the right of others.
 
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