Bin Laden Dead Truthers Mourn

little grey rabbit said:
Deep down I think we all knew that Osama bin Laden would never end up in a court house or before a tribunal.

Let alone be water-boarded to reveal the details and structure of AQ.

If they were really serious about catching OBL, they would have moved in around 3 am to 5 am - like Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

They weren't, they just wanted to have a big shoot 'em up fireworks display and declare case closed.

My opinion is that it was always known where OBL was, it just happened that he died of natural causes, so a big pageant was instantaneously put on to "kill" him.
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You could have just lead with that and we would have known to stop reading.
 
TruthersLie said:
Personally I think they should have tried to capture him... at this time we don't have enough information as to what exactly happened...

maybe they did try to capture him, and he went down "guns blazing." of course it could also be that some over zealous SEAL decided that he was just going to put a round through his eyes.

or they may have shot to disable him, and because he is an old man, he bled out. Or maybe his own guards gunned him down to make sure the US didn't get him..

all of this is speculation. We need to wait for facts.
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Don't you find it a little odd that no one that I have seen has not pointed out that the outcome of this mission - if you assume that AQ is not the black ops arm of the CIA - has been at best only a half-success? Not only does OBL live in a prestigious suburb for several years, but when he is located you can't even capture him alive?

Surely this is a failure that needs an explanation? Agreeing that is early days.

Incidently, regarding respecting Islamic burial tradition - I don't think there is a strict 24 hour rule. But one thing I have noticed that if you talk to many Arabs they will not spontaneously bring up AQ or Osama bin Laden. If you, as I have done on occasion, say that you believe 9/11 was done by the American government, even quite respectable Arabs, ie professionals, will enthusiatically agree, almost like floodgates have been opened. These people mostly seem to say that they consider Osama bin Laden a very holy man - which seems to me illogical since he has either kept his trap shut since 9/11 or released some very odd video statements.
 
Why are you even arguing this, LGR? Oh right:

little grey rabbit said:
I don't really mind one way or the other. But on a personal note, it will be a very sad day indeed when I can't get people online hopping mad by saying "The Illuminati did it" or tell them about the One True Crematorium at Birkenau
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little grey rabbit said:
Well, I believe I can get people hopping mad.
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Just trolling another section. Carry on.
 
Hmmm... I can guarantee you that if Bin Laden had been captured and not killed that there would be people saying that holding him over for trial would incite even more violence as his followers tried several different ways to get his release (hostages etc).

I think that either way would've worked just as well in the long run. Sure it would've been nice to pump him for information but I have the feeling that he wasn't going to be taken alive if he had any say in it.

Overall I say that this is probably the best outcome. One and done so to speak. No politics left to play about who tries him or where, what his sentence should be and where it gets carried out and so on. Bury him in an unmarked grave (or at sea if that rumor is true) and move on to the next target once the kerfuffle dies down.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
No. Crying for truth, justice, and the American way.
Killing anyone, when he could be brought to trial, is not our way.
Our top special ops force could not capture an old man with a cane alive?
Sharp shooters who could shoot a dime, could not shoot his gun hand?
Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed.
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No they wouldn't. They would be toasting the soldiers who risked their lives to do the job. They are not snivelling little cowards,unlike truthers.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
Ordinary cops catch criminals who are shooting back every day.
And they bring them in alive, to stand trial before a judge and jury.
Our top Special Ops team, with night vision goggles, that could hit a dime from far away, could not hit his gun hand?
I have more faith in the skills of our JSOC. They are the best of the best. They can catch a sick man with a cane.
Probably they could shoot down the barrel of Bin Laden's gun, rendering it harmless.
Bringing him to justice, means bringing him to justice, in a court of law.
That is the American way.
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I suppose that the word truth in your handle is some sort of post modernist performance art irony?
 
Just as an aside, I have a blog that gets very little traffic - usually people putting in search terms for something completely different - eg people searching for "blueprints, stairway" often wind up there.

One of the posts that gets this off topic traffic is a post that as an aside repeats the questions that Iraqis expressed to me regarding Uday Hussein's death, but at most it is only 2 or 3 hits a day. It is up to 25 over the last few hours - not a high number - but it does suggest there is a feeling of deja vue among some arabs. Hussein sons mysteriously disappear in a loud hail of rockets and gunfire.

http://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.c...-autopsy-the-strasbourg-anatomical-institute/
 
There's nothing "Mysterious" about dying after a whole lot of bullets and HE wrapped in steel are headed your way.
 
therival58 said:
I'm still wondering - if we are to believe Obama's account of events (or his transcript), then that means the DNA test took less than 24 hours, which I find hard to believe.
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What's the opposite of incredulity? I'm that at reading this.

Just about every day time television show runs DNA tests the same day while shooting. 10 years ago there was a pause and then everyone came back in different clothes, these days they go for coffee. Maybe not, maybe it does take days and it's just creative editing, but it happens so often I don't find it hard to believe the US military could "git er done".

little grey rabbit said:
Deep down I think we all knew that Osama bin Laden would never end up in a court house or before a tribunal.
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Not after seeing Saddam. He looked defeated by the time they turned him over for processing. I think a lot of people would have liked to see Osama suffer the same fate. The last time he showed up they tried to suggest he looked tired and beleaguered but he didn't. At least not like Saddam did.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Did you stop to think that perhaps they ramped up all base security around the world before the raid? From all accounts I've seen they've been working on this operation for at least a few hours before the raid so sending out a general message ordering increased security measures is well within the realm of possibility. Or do you think that you're the only one who thought of this? It only takes about 1/2 an hour from giving the order in DC to having more boots on the wall (so to speak) at any base in the world. Do you think that they don't drill for things like this or that they don't already have written procedures for tightening up security at the drop of a hat?

I used to make and implement the forward duty section roster and I always had to have extra people available for all kinds of duties aside from regular watches. Some of them were specifically targeted at increasing security on our perimeter out to about 100 yards and inside the boat at key locations. We could (and successfully drilled many times to prove it) do it in about 5 minutes from receipt of the message. This was during a time where tensions were quite low and nobody was expecting it. I can't imagine that in todays environment that they have gone backwards in what they are expected to do.
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I can't imagine any multiple logistical failures would be possible after 4th generation mainframes came on board.
 
TruthersLie said:
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Even though they all (almost all of them anyways) think that he is a terrorist, many of them also have some weird sort of respect for him (like Che, or robin hood).
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In death, we all become equal. There is no point in not treating a dead body with due respect, even OBL's. It has nothing toi with what the man was or did during life.
 
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Yes, America haters of the world must be in mourning. A sad day indeed.:rolleyes:
 
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TruthMakesPeace said:
No. Crying for truth, justice, and the American way.
Killing anyone, when he could be brought to trial, is not our way.
Our top special ops force could not capture an old man with a cane alive?
Sharp shooters who could shoot a dime, could not shoot his gun hand?
Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed.
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JihadJane said:
Phew! America is saved!
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I think for once, even if it's not on the same terms I agree with your sarcasm...

Don't get me wrong I'm really happy we got him but even as a one of the biggest figures the US has managed to finally get over the years, and as a major player in the orchestration of the 9/11 attacks, killing him off leads to a power vacuum that can be filled rather quickly. I'm cautious about celebrating at the moment.
 
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When I told my roomate about the news this morning he immediately said it was a fake, that even if it was real they killed him and faked the firefight, but that it's probably just a ploy for Obama to get re-elected.

I am just glad he didn't go "Did you know there was a building 7 that fell that dreaded day?"
 
little grey rabbit said:
My opinion is that it was always known where OBL was, it just happened that he died of natural causes, so a big pageant was instantaneously put on to "kill" him.
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This is absurd...and exactly what I thought was going to be a lot of people's responses this morning. Frankly it wouldn't have been the same if that really was the case because it would have felt like "they" won, however, why is it so hard for some people to comprehend this simple statement....

Some things are what they seem, nothing more.
 
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