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again, confirmation by DNA tests is what has been reported on all of the mainstream media outlets. Not my assumption.
Bin Laden Dead Truthers Mourn
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again, confirmation by DNA tests is what has been reported on all of the mainstream media outlets. Not my assumption.
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The American crowds are cheering. We don't have to endure any more fake Bin Laden broadcasts. 
Obama said he made the order to "bring Bin Laden to justice".
So that means killing someone who was never indicted for the crime of 9/11, even if he was charged with other crimes, without a trial? Even Charles Manson got a trial.
The JSOC could have taken him alive. Sharp shooters can hit his gun hand, and outrun a man needing a cane.
We would have gotten a wealth of Intel from Bin Laden through interrogation and cross examination.
This is the new American "justice" that we want to bring to the world?
Dead men don't plead not guilty.
Obama said he made the order to "bring Bin Laden to justice".
So that means killing someone who was never indicted for the crime of 9/11, even if he was charged with other crimes, without a trial? Even Charles Manson got a trial.
The JSOC could have taken him alive. Sharp shooters can hit his gun hand, and outrun a man needing a cane.
We would have gotten a wealth of Intel from Bin Laden through interrogation and cross examination.
This is the new American "justice" that we want to bring to the world?
Dead men don't plead not guilty.
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How fast can the President get a DNA run? Seems like they planned this, and what if they planned everything!? Did CSI NY, or CSI Miami do the work? Bet it was Miami, their show was pushed backed an hour due to the President.
Media always make mistakes, time will sort out the facts from the mistakes.
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No idea, but they seemed to have no problem picking up Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a dawn raid, so if it was good enough for the #2, why not #1?
I don't think the Nazis enjoyed their Nuremberg experience very much. Why on earth would you not want Osama bin Laden captured, interrogated for intelligence, tried in public and then executed.
Incidently this how most truthers always predicted the Osama story would end, killed without being held accountable.
And it appears he was living the whole time in a mansion not far from Islamabad, less than an hours drive. Robert Fisk is already saying he thinks the ISI (or is it ISA?) would have known where he was the entire time.
And if the Pakistanis, why not the CIA?
You said if Obama's account is correct, they did the DNA test in less than 24 hours. Obama's account said nothing about DNA.
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You've been watching too much TV.
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The American crowds are cheering. We don't have to endure any more fake Bin Laden broadcasts.
Obama said he made the order to "bring Bin Laden to justice".
So that means killing someone who was not indicted for the crime of 9/11, even if he was charged with other crimes, without a trial?
The JSOC could have taken him alive.
We would have gotten a wealth of Intel from Bin Laden through interrogation and cross examination.
This is the new American justice?
As predicted, truthers are crying for OBL.
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Not less than 24 hours, less than 12 hours.
A DNA test doesn't take an enormous amount of time to run. Perhaps once the sample is in the lab 4 to 5 hours?
However DNA genotyping facilities seldom run on a stat basis. I very much doubt there is a need to have a DNA genotyping facility in a military base in Afghanistan - it would be a stupid and pointless waste of money. Nor is there really a need to such an identification at the absolute drop of a hat.
Assuming they had an Osama bin Laden profile in the database - if you only had family members you could only say if the sample was a relative or not - you would expect them to fly a sample back to USA and have it tested at a proper facility - rather than try and use a Pakistani facility.
The world would not have ended if the Obama had said we are 99% confident we have killed Osama, we will run a DNA test on Monday to verify the news. In fact, it would have helped raise the tension nicely.
It is not absolutely impossible that a DNA genotype was run in the middle of the night in Afghanistan or Pakistan in the extremely tight time frame - but it is highly improbable.
They matched to his sister's DNA, here's a bit more detail:
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/27739824/detail.html
Given that they could plausibly have readied the DNA test as the operation was being planned. Do you have anything other than your own incredulity to suggest that the DNA testing wasn't done?
Note that the DNA testing claim comes via reporters who say that officials said the announcement was held back until the testing was done. The President has not mentioned DNA at all.
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No. Crying for truth, justice, and the American way.
Killing anyone, when he could be brought to trial, is not our way.
Our top special ops force could not capture an old man with a cane alive?
Sharp shooters who could shoot a dime, could not shoot his gun hand?
Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed.
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Well what was the time frame
Time of death:
Time of location of the body:
Time of moving body to Afghanistan and arrival.
Time of taking sample
Then where was the lab where the testing was done? I don't believe there would be a specially military facility in Afghanistan and I doubt that they would use Pakistani facilities. Technicians would need to be woken up for something that is really not urgent.
Time the sample has arrived on the lab.
Time for DNA exptraction and preparation of sequencing cocktail and controls - 30 minutes
Sequencing reaction 2 hours
Running the sequncing mixture, warming up the machine, checking controls etc - at least 2 hours?
Time to get a qualified geneticist to compare with sister's profile and calculate the odds of various possible familial relationship.
Inform president. President discusses with advisors, organises press conference and prepares statement.
If you have a sequencer in Afghanistan - which I doubt - it is technically possible in the narrowest window of time.
But I don't believe it. Despite that I still expect it is Osama bin Laden.
Whether it's now or later:
Yeah, but if the truthers are right, the US just assassinated an innocent man.
He was killed because he was shooting. The mission was to capture him and bring him to justice like Obama said.
Please. We're fighting a war against these animals. People get killed in wars. Furthermore, you don't know that they didn't try to take him alive anyway.
Did you want a new investigation on 911, after you failed to comprehend the many already done? It would be a stupid and pointless waste of money. But UBL's DNA test would be a check to make sure it was him, not a waste of money, a check to see if he was UBL. Not a waste, but something 911 truth would demand, and now makes up nonsense after you lost your top figure for apologizing for 911 terrorists. Who will you apologize for now?
911 truth will have to say it was fake, and ignore evidence to make up more delusions.
How would you identify UBL quickly? Now who will you apologize for? UBL took credit for 911, and you take credit for not understanding what happen. It would be interesting to learn how they confirmed it was him, and DNA would be a good way. Or you have some other method? What is the 911 truth solution?
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Deep down I think we all knew that Osama bin Laden would never end up in a court house or before a tribunal.
Let alone be water-boarded to reveal the details and structure of AQ.
If they were really serious about catching OBL, they would have moved in around 3 am to 5 am - like Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
They weren't, they just wanted to have a big shoot 'em up fireworks display and declare case closed.
My opinion is that it was always known where OBL was, it just happened that he died of natural causes, so a big pageant was instantaneously put on to "kill" him.
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Ordinary cops catch criminals who are shooting back every day.
And they bring them in alive, to stand trial before a judge and jury.
Our top Special Ops team, with night vision goggles, that could hit a dime from far away, could not hit his gun hand?
I have more faith in the skills of our JSOC. They are the best of the best. They can catch a sick man with a cane.
Probably they could shoot down the barrel of Bin Laden's gun, rendering it harmless.
Bringing him to justice, means bringing him to justice, in a court of law.
That is the American way.
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I am not saying a professional military/security would not have genotyped OBL to confirm his death. I just don't think they invested in setting up a purpose built sequencing facility on a military base in Afghanistan on the off-chance that he might turn up over the next 10 years. Let alone having trained technicians on stand-by doing absolutely nothing for ten years waiting for OBL to turn up.
Flying a sample to the US for sequencing would only add 24 hours to the identification process.
If cops bring in someone alive who was shooting at them, it is just dumb luck on the part of the criminal. Because if you shoot at a cop, he will shoot back, aiming at center mass until you drop or give up.
Real life isn't a video game.
Killing him works just fine too.
Got some evidence the founding fathers would give a care for a murderer? No. You sound like McVeigh armed with nonsense.
Same old 911 truth failed ideas and nonsense.
Shoot the gun out of his hand? Is it any wonder you prefer the delusions of 911 truth?
What other nonsense will failed 911 truth movement strap-hangers make up now. Oops, lgr is spewing nonsense.