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Steve Novella on Dr. Oz, video

Kuko 4000

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Check the video here:



I think Novella was great on TV, but Oz didn't give him enough room to reply properly. Steve has offered Oz a public forum for unedited discussion through SBM or SGU, I doubt Oz is going to bite. Anyways, I'd definitely like to see more of Steve on TV, well done!

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=12199
 
Thanks for posting this, Kuko 4000. I don't always get around to checking some of my favorite web sites.

I haven't watched the video yet, but just finished reading Dr. Novella's SBM article. He really does write goodly. :)
 
Ah yes. Once again I am forced to be embarrassed that Dr. Oz shares my profession. But I agree. Dr. Novella did a great job in the little bit of time he was given. And had he been given the opportunity to respond to Oz's false claims, he could have decimated him.

I like the bit where they talked about all the good quality research which is now available on alternative medicine. But they didn't mention (gee, I wonder why :)) that the results have been overwhelmingly negative.

Linda
 
Orac wrote a nice piece about it:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/04/steve_novella_on_the_dr_oz_show_dr_oz_ha.php

Oz is really good at pretending to tow the middle line between science and "alternative" science. The part that bothered me the most is that Oz predominantly focused on alt med techniques that aren't hard core alt med (herbs, nutrition, meditation). There's a reason Oz avoided homeopathy, reiki, faith healing, and the like.
 
Yesterday, Oz was airing a segment which promised one could "stop" all heart disease and cancer by essentially becoming a vegan....
I couldn't bear to watch it.
 
I tried telling some family members about the woo on the show but I was shushed and laughed at etc for daring to kill their fantasy. Eventually I wore them down long enough to explain what homeopathy was and then they just kind of stared at me as if in a trance. Realizing I had moments to act I quickly launched into a spiel about science-based medicine and they actually listened! I hypnotized my aunt out of Dr. Oz worship. Felt great.
 
Has he got any qualifications or experience to talk about having "scientific peers" at 2:20 in the clip or is he just a surgeon?
 
Joey McGee said:
I tried telling some family members about the woo on the show but I was shushed and laughed at etc for daring to kill their fantasy. Eventually I wore them down long enough to explain what homeopathy was and then they just kind of stared at me as if in a trance. Realizing I had moments to act I quickly launched into a spiel about science-based medicine and they actually listened! I hypnotized my aunt out of Dr. Oz worship. Felt great.
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Congratulations. I wish I could have the same success with people I know.
 
spaaron22 said:
Congratulations. I wish I could have the same success with people I know.
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Thanks! Stay positive and don't get discouraged this didn't happen overnight. You should have seen the time I started criticizing the A&E psychic shows it was like I called them all Nazis or something! It's all good I just think "we are monkeys, it is ok that we're crazy" and I just try and laugh. Hey all you have to do is be a better woomeister than the cons really, in an ethical way ;)
 
Bikewer said:
Yesterday, Oz was airing a segment which promised one could "stop" all heart disease and cancer by essentially becoming a vegan....
I couldn't bear to watch it.
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Sure, if you die of malnutrition you no longer have to worry about heart disease and cancer.
 
Man, this OZ guy is a slick talker.

Too bad it's near impossible to debunk his woo in the few seconds at a time he had to speak. Although he got good points in, you can't convey that not all studies are really equal or how almost all of the good ones show that acupuncture etc, don't work.
 
Puppycow said:
Man, this OZ guy is a slick talker.

Too bad it's near impossible to debunk his woo in the few seconds at a time he had to speak. Although he got good points in, you can't convey that not all studies are really equal or how almost all of the good ones show that acupuncture etc, don't work.
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I don't know how Novella was able to sit silently as Oz strawmanned him with "I disagree that there are no studies have been done and that no evidence has been found for these methods".
 
Bikewer said:
Yesterday, Oz was airing a segment which promised one could "stop" all heart disease and cancer by essentially becoming a vegan....
I couldn't bear to watch it.
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More like 1/4 of cancer. Vegans do have a much lower cancer risk, but it probably because they eats lots of fruits and veggies.
 
Did anyone continue to watch the episode beyond the Novella segment? I ask because I did, and it was very...disheartening. There are other words to describe it, but most of them break forum rules. If anyone's interested, you can read my unscientific take on it.
 
Lucian said:
Did anyone continue to watch the episode beyond the Novella segment? I ask because I did, and it was very...disheartening. There are other words to describe it, but most of them break forum rules. If anyone's interested, you can read my unscientific take on it.
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The 15 minutes of the creepy Oz man was all I could bear. So thanks for the link--I'll read it, but I don't think I have a strong enough constitution to watch any more Oz.*







*Unless it's the 1939 classic film.
 
Emet said:
The 15 minutes of the creepy Oz man was all I could bear. So thanks for the link--I'll read it, but I don't think I have a strong enough constitution to watch any more Oz.
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I felt the same way.

Linda
 
No mention of the National_Center_for_Complementary_and_Alternative_MedicineWP by Oz or the Ozites?

This institution has spent hundreds of millions of US tax dollars researching the efficacy of Complementary and Alternative "Medicines" over the last two decades and, even though established by woos, headed by woos and staffed by woos, has yet to find any altmed that actually works. Though it has found many that don't and some that do more harm than good. Published studies always seem to conclude that "more research is needed".

Go to: http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/ and take a look for yourself.

:boggled:
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
No mention of the National_Center_for_Complementary_and_Alternative_MedicineWP by Oz or the Ozites?

This institution has spent hundreds of millions of US tax dollars researching the efficacy of Complementary and Alternative "Medicines" over the last two decades and, even though established by woos, headed by woos and staffed by woos, has yet to find any altmed that actually works. Though it has found many that don't and some that do more harm than good. Published studies always seem to conclude that "more research is needed".

Go to: http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/ and take a look for yourself.

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I thought Oz mentioned some "studies" from NCCAM. I recall thinking, "well, yeah, but what about real studies?"
 
There are always some studies that the alt-med people point to, but generally these are either not well designed, or their results are overstated, or they are outweighed by lots of other studies, or in some cases even the data is fabricated (Andrew Wakefield), etc.

I suppose you can say that in a few seconds, but you can't go into detail.
 
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