Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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BeAChooser, you have obviously missed the one simple question I asked you earlier. I understand how these threads move fast and things slip by.

If you do not believe the current document available to verify his birth is factual, despite the relevant authorizing agency of the Hawaiian government stating it is 100% correct, why would you believe any other document produced by the same agency regardless of it's content?
 
Ah.... Another few pages of Bac ranting without posting a single shred of evidence. :D

Oh... wait.... Bac? Do you think you are posting evidence?
 
Well, someone who makes ten posts in a row is certainly correct. And in a full seventy percent of those posts, he used the happy smiley face emoticon (:D). Since he uses that all the time, no matter if he's talking about someone being shot in the head or committing suicide, it shows how seriously he takes these posts.

Keep on going, BaC. The manner in which you comport yourself is prima facie evidence related to the opinions of your fellow posters here, with regards to their opinions of you.
 
ANTPogo said:
This means that the copy of the 1995 certificate supposedly obtained in March of this year by Miki Booth's "friend" is absolutely fake. And that the Danae copy is possibly fake as well, unless Danae was born male or the "within the last year" is from 2011 forward, not April 2010 forward.
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that is what many believe on Doc Conspiracy's site as well as at Fogbow.

Keep in mind, that if you do file an FOIA request and eventually get a copy, the Hawaii Health Department will NOT certify it. You simply get a photocopy and that's it

No raised Seal
No signature of the registrat
No date that it was issued.

It would be worthless since its not an official document

So all this "hemming and hawing" by birhters to get a "long form" is pointless, since Hawaii will not certify it.
 
ANTPogo said:
He means the anonymous 1995 certificate produced by Miki Booth, claiming it was issued on March 15, 2011.

It's almost certainly a forgery.
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ANT -- do you have al ink to that BC. I can't find it amongst my bookmarks. It looked to me it said March 15, 2011, but I would like to add the fact that its really 1995 to my bookmarks.
 
ANTPogo said:
Not in 1961, they didn't. The law permitting that wasn't passed until 1982. And even in the case of people registered under that law, their certificate would show their actual place of birth, not Hawaii.
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correct. If you were born in a foreign country, and moved to Hawaii, you couldn't register your birth certificate with the state. YOu simply had to rely on your BC that you got from your home country

In 1982, when the statute passed, YOU COULD take your foreign issued Birth Certificate, and have your birth registered with Hawaii. But your new Hawaii COLB will list your place of birth as the one that is listed on YOUR foreign BC
 
BeAChooser said:
Go ahead, TE, provide us with a credible source that defines "certified copy" the way you ObamaTruthers claim it's defined.
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Alvin T. Onaka is the the Reigstrar of the Department OF Health in Hawaii, authorized to certify documents that pass through the Department of Health

The COLB reflects the true representation that is found on the original certificate of live birth. Once his signature is attached to a COLB along with the Department seal, it becomes a certified document


Don't know what daft definition you're using, but you sure aren't using what is the normal definition of a certified copy.
 
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And I'll repost my post from the CNN/AC360 interview:

Not in the transcript or the article, but in the full episode; Gary Tuchman further clarified on the FOIA -

1) A person could file for an FOIA request to see and get copies of the long form
2) it will take weeks to get those copies
3) ONLY 1 person has done that, since April 2010 - a self proclaimed "birther" filed an FOIA request, becaue he wanted to see what was on his COLB.
4) said copies will not be certified by the state .since they no longer certify the long form. ONLY the computer generated ones that are currently issued today


So all this requesting for the long form will actually do no good. Because it won't be certified by the STate of Hawaii, it would serve no purpose as to say that its a "genuine" copy. And birthers will just use the 'its not official cause Hawaii will not certify it" bull crap.
 
Sabrina said:
Here, I won't even wait.

Here's my DD-214, and my most recent OER (with all personal info of myself and other persons, such as my rater and senior rater, redacted).
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Thank you for your service, Sabrina. I was 95B from 1991-1995.

:D

BeAChooser said:
Show us the long form, Obama. :D
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:sighs deeply, shakes head, facepalm:

As a lurker (I read here way more than I post), I'd like to add that BaC is coming off looking like a complete fool (to me at least) in this thread.
 
I notice BaC has yet to retract his assertion that Obama ruined Lakin's career despite corrections from people who actually know how the military works...

Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
 
Sabrina said:
I notice BaC has yet to retract his assertion that Obama ruined Lakin's career despite corrections from people who actually know how the military works...

Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
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Yeah, BAC went into 'spray-and-pray' mode last night hoping to hammer home what he *thinks* is his strongest point. He still can't get around the fact that the State of Hawaii's officials just don't agree with "BeAChooser, Soooper leegal Geenius".

But remember, he's not a Birther!
 
Arus808 said:
ANT -- do you have al ink to that BC. I can't find it amongst my bookmarks. It looked to me it said March 15, 2011, but I would like to add the fact that its really 1995 to my bookmarks.
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Here is the supposed March 15, 2011 certificate.

Here is the un-stamped white-paper photocopy version of the same certificate posted on March 17, 2011.
 
I'm hearing from the news this morning that Obama did release a copy of his long form, but the image shown on MSNBC was a COLB. Anyone else catch this?

ETA: Ah, this one has the signatures on it.

Well, time to see how the nutters claim this is another chunk of the conspiracy.
 
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ASUS..

you said time and time again that it was impossible to get the "original-original" birth certificate..

i dont believe this new document, the CIA/NSA has huge resources and they can easily hack into databases and insert forged copies into the supposed filling warehouse
 
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BeAChooser said:
LIAR. I've not said that. I've only said the law clearly requires that, and Hawaii is now openly violating it's own law.
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If they are, they've been "violating" it for ten years now. Strangely, no one seemed to care about this until Obama was elected, seven years after this "open violation" started.

Where are all the lawsuits from people born in Hawaii who are angry that they can't get what Hawaiian law says they can get? It's been a decade...surely someone must have been upset at Hawaii violating its own laws like that!

BeAChooser said:
LOL! Are you telling us that Fukino and Tuchman lied when they said one could still get an original birth certificate?
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No, I'm telling you that they didn't say what you apparently think they said. That doesn't make them liars, it just makes you wrong.

Or perhaps the reason Lakin wasn't able to get the long form for his daughter is that he is not the registrant and thus has no direct and tangible interest in the document (unlike Obama).
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Or perhaps, despite all your ranting and raving about what Hawaiian state laws really say, you truly have no clue what you're talking about. Because otherwise you wouldn't say such blatant nonsense like the above.

Look again at the statute that you yourself have cited, BAC:

b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;
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This is something so basic that even your fellow peddlers of hardcore birther nonsense know it. It's why Miki Booth was able to get a copy of her son's "short form". It's why Booth claimed that the copy of the 1995 certificate purportedly obtained last month was obtained and provided to her by the mother of the person whose certificate it was. It's why the brother of LTC Lakin stated that the soon-to-be-former-Lieutenant Colonel was trying to request a copy of his daughter's certificate.

When you say nonsense like "perhaps the reason Lakin wasn't able to get the long form for his daughter is that he is not the registrant and thus has no direct and tangible interest in the document", it makes your claims to know the TRUTH about what Hawaiian state law really truly says even more laughable, BAC.
 
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