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little grey rabbit said:
Not exactly, but I think you will find that genuine deniers suffer "consequences" and become silent (whereas Hoaxsters in drag never suffer any adverse effects) or they may confuse "hoaxsters in drag" for real deniers and become disillusioned with Holocaust denial in total. Its the old case that bad money drives out good money.

The reason that Holocaust Denial is correct is not despite that so many of the major proponents are dishonest shysters but BECAUSE so many of its major proponents are dishonest shysters. Otherwise it would not attract so much infiltration
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The evidence for this infiltration of the ranks of deniers is exactly as much as and of the same quality as the evidence for Moscow Counterfeits and the other paranoid "theories" brought to us by the people who bring us the bunny blog.

"Debating" Clayton Moore, Saggy, Little Grey Rabbit, Dogzilla: true, a waste of time. But the pay is good, and the working conditions are nice. So here we are.
 
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"Debating" Clayton Moore, Saggy, Little Grey Rabbit, Dogzilla: true, a waste of time. But the pay is good, and the working conditions are nice. So here we are.
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Well I only transfered in from the Greek Economy division last week. The break room here is better, but the coffee is a bit so so
 
Clayton Moore said:
And they coordinated this how? Smoke signals?

http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/Underwood/Underwood.Elecom50.1956.102646271.pdf
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Dehomag, Deutsche Holerrerith Maschinen Gesellschaft, was the German portion of the American owned IBM. The Nazis subjected all companies in Germany to the laws and policies initiated by Hitler's regime. Their main products during the 1930s and 1940s were tabulating machines. “Banks, financial institutions, and pension funds were among Dehomag’s most important clients.” The tabulating machines performed tasks that took humans several days and do them in several hours. The benefits of this technology for governments as well as private companies were incredible. One of the important functions of the tabulating machines was to count people in the census. The more holes the cards had, the more different items the machine could tabulate about each person. America, Germany, and other countries used this technology to conduct their census. Many options that had previously been too time consuming, costly, and tedious were now simpler and economical. IBM made the machines specifically for each client's specifications. [notes omitted]
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Matthew Ellard said:
Can you name any of these Zionists/neoconservatives and describe how they maintain the holocaust stories? Did the conservatives work hand in hand with the communist Russian government to fake holocaust documents to promote communism or conservatism? You were not very clear in your post.

Are you suggesting that communists and conservatives were really working together to trick holocaust deniers? ( You're not the first to claim this)
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Today's influential American Zionists are dual activists as both neoconservatives and Holocaust brain-washers.
Most of the founding fathers of neoconservatism were once Communists or leaned to the far left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol

Since you didn't get it, the Holocaust myth was dormant because the gas chambers were known to be a real whopper. In the 60s the Zionists and their loyalists tested the waters with Sophie's Choice and guess what? A good plot/sob story ignored history and no one spoke up. More and more lies and the lies became the unquestioned truth.
Today the Holocaust has become a shared right of passage overseen by Zionists. Places of atonement/homage, Holocaust museums, are world wide.

* International Directory of Jewish Museums

Country City Museum
Argentina Buenos Aires Museo del Holocausto de Buenos Aires
Australia Melbourne Jewish Holocaust Museum and Research Center
Australia Sydney Sydney Jewish Museum - History of the Holocaust section
Austria Vienna Austrian Holocaust Memorial Service (Gedenkdienst)
Austria Vienna Mauthausen Concentration Camp Memorial
Belgium Mechelen Jewish Museum of Deportation and Resistence
Canada Montreal Montreal Holocaust Memorial Centre
Czech Rep. Terezin Holocaust Memorials in the Czech Republic
Czech Rep. Terezin Terezin Memorial
France Izieu Memorial Museum for Children of Izieu
France Paris Memorial de la Shoah
Germany Shoa.de
Germany Bad Arolsen Bad Arolsen Holocaust Archives
Germany Buchenwald Buchenwald Memorial
Germany Dachau Dachau Concentration Camp Memorial Site
Germany Furstenberg Ravensbruck Women's Concentration Camp Memorial Museum
Germany Lohheide Bergen-Belsen Memorial
Germany Papenburg Document and Information Center of Emsland Camps
Germany Wannsee House of the Wannsee Conference
Hungary Budapest Budapest Holocaust Memorial Center
Israel Ghetto Fighters' House -
Holocaust and Jewish Resistance Heritage Museum
Israel Jerusalem Yad Vashem -
Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes Remembrance Memorial
Israel Kibbutz Tel-Yitzhak Massuah Institute for the Study of the Holocaust
Israel Kibbutz Givat Chaim Beit Theresienstadt
Japan Fukuyama-City Holocaust Education Center
Netherlands Digital Monument to the Jewish Community in the Netherlands
Netherlands Amsterdam Anne Frank House
Netherlands Amsterdam Hollandsche Schouwburg, Dutch Theatre used as deportation center for Jews of Holland
Netherlands Haarlem Corrie ten Boom Museum, "The Hiding Place"
Poland Lublin State Museum at Majdanek Concentration Camp
Poland Oswiecim Auschwitz Jewish Center Foundation
Poland Oswiecim Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum
Poland Rogoznica Gross-Rosen Concentration Camp Museum
Russia Moscow Russian Holocaust Foundation
South Africa Cape Town Cape Town Holocaust Centre
U.K. Laxton Holocaust Centre, Beth Shalom
U.K. London Imperial War Museum's Holocaust Exhibition
USA Albuquerque, NM New Mexico Holocaust and Intolerance Museum
USA Buffalo, NY Holocaust Resource Center
USA Chicago, IL Illinois Holocaust Museum and Education Center
USA Dallas, TX Dallas Holocaust Museum
USA El Paso, TX El Paso Holocaust Museum and Study Center
USA Farmington Hills, MI Holocaust Memorial Center
USA Houston, TX Holocaust Museum Houston
USA Los Angeles, CA Holocaust Monument
USA Los Angeles, CA Museum of the Holocaust
USA Los Angeles, CA Shoah Foundation Institute for Visual History
USA Los Angeles, CA Simon Wiesenthal Center
USA Maitland, FL Holocaust Memorial Resource and Education Center
USA Miami Beach, FL Holocaust Memorial
USA Naples, FL Holocaust Museum of Southwest Florida
USA New Haven, CT Fortunoff Video Archive for Holocaust Testimonies
USA New York Anne Frank Center
USA New York Ioannina Greece Holocaust Victims
USA New York Museum of Jewish Heritage - Memorial to the Holocaust
USA Richmond, VA Virginia Holocaust Museum
USA San Francisco, CA Holocaust Center of Northern California
USA Spring Valley, NY Holocaust Museum and Study Center
USA St. Louis, MO Holocaust Museum and Learning Center
USA St. Petersburg, FL Florida Holocaust Museum
USA Terre Haute, IN Candles Holocaust Museum and Education Center
USA Washington DC United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

http://www.science.co.il/holocaust-museums.asp
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Today's influential American Zionists are dual activists as both neoconservatives and Holocaust brain-washers.
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Oh, here we go...

Most of the founding fathers of neoconservatism were once Communists or leaned to the far left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol
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So?

Since you didn't get it, the Holocaust myth was dormant because the gas chambers were known to be a real whopper.
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When was it dormant, exactly? When did people not talk about it?

In the 60s the Zionists and their loyalists
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What does Zionism have to do with it?

tested the waters with Sophie's Choice
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Which was published in 1979...

and guess what? A good plot/sob story ignored history and no one spoke up. More and more lies and the lies became the unquestioned truth.
Today the Holocaust has become a shared right of passage overseen by Zionists. Places of atonement/homage, Holocaust museums, are world wide.
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If you have a point, I'm begging you to make it.
 
SpitfireIX said:
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That was fine for inventory and financial number crunching of the day but for a task of

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post
Your version of the Holocaust demands the Germans directly managed the movement, supervision, etc. of 10 to 20 million or more noncombatants in Germany, Poland, and much of Europe while fighting WWII on at least three fronts and at sea. Forget you and your smokescreen request for details.
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UH, UH. No help at all.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Since you didn't get it, the Holocaust myth was dormant because the gas chambers were known to be a real whopper. In the 60s the Zionists and their loyalists tested the waters with Sophie's Choice and guess what? A good plot/sob story ignored history and no one spoke up. More and more lies and the lies became the unquestioned truth.
Today the Holocaust has become a shared right of passage overseen by Zionists. Places of atonement/homage, Holocaust museums, are world wide.
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That was very funny. You have listed museums established after the holocaust and accuse them of coordinating the evidence of the holocaust during the war. Not one of the museums you listed existed when Justice Łukaszkiewicz obtained forensic evidence that the two hectares of human ash at Treblinka was indeed human. Can you see that that is a bit stupid?

Even odder, the Hofle Telegram was a SS document. The SS, as far as I know, didn't run a Jewish holocaust museum during the war. Do you think they did?

Even odder the commanding officers of Treblinka and Auschwitz confessed to mass executions at their camps. Do you think they were looking towards future careers working for holocaust museums?
 
Clayton Moore said:
And they coordinated this how? Smoke signals?
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This is amazing!

The germans broadcast television. The 1936 Berlin Olympics were on the telly! The technology ends up in German infra-red scopes in 1944 that were used in battle.

Every German tank brigade had a Panzerbefehlswagen to coordinate local, air and command radio. Hitler was a micro managing control freak who demanded daily situation reports.

So how do you think Hitler knew where his troops were, what ammunition they had, what vehicles were lost, are trains available to move a division from one front to another, etc...on a daily basis?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Since you didn't get it, the Holocaust myth was dormant because the gas chambers were known to be a real whopper. In the 60s the Zionists and their loyalists tested the waters with Sophie's Choice and guess what? A good plot/sob story ignored history and no one spoke up. More and more lies and the lies became the unquestioned truth.
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See we have a problem - Sophies Choice was written in 1979, the film came along in 1982

However this was commissioned in 1967 and completed in 1968

http://www.flickr.com/photos/katura/3203789176/

Care to explain how a group of Jews pre-empted the reaction to Sophies Choice 12 years before the book was written
 
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