Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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I was about to say if they haven't explained that much, then there's not much room for imagination as to why the entire birther issue is coming up. Even though I was still young during Clinton's presidency I don't think I heard anything like what's coming out over Obama except for the Lewinsky scandal, which still hails in comparison as a real case to the allegations of Obama's citizenship.

There was nothing like this for ANY President in living memory... all of which just happen to be white.

Depending on how grounded in reality a Birther still is, they expect Obama to be replaced either by Biden or by McCain... both of which are white.

It´s a process of elimination. There is no evidence that Obama is ineligible... so evidence cannot be the driving force. There is no reasonable (or unreasonable) doubt about the evidence that he is eligible... so reasonable (or unreasonable) doubt cannot be the driving force. Having him declared ineligible would swap a black President with a white President... therefore racism is a possible driving force.

Note that I wrote "there is no doubt"; what there is, coming from the Birthers, is blind, mindless denial. It´s important to keep the difference in mind.
 
Howdy, y'all. Conspiracy theory: The puppet masters who control Obama, and made him president use the fact that Barack Obama is born outside of the U.S. to force people in positions of power to lie. In this way the puppet masters have their puppets by their balls or by their tits or whatever to call it which makes them easier to control and more obedient when told what to do.

I guess we can add puppetry to the list of subjects Anders Lindman doesn't understand.
 
Hell, he might even allow the infusion of foreign foods, language, and culture into our homogeneous nation. Just thinking about such an impurification of our great nation makes me angry. Grr!

Thanks. That made me chuckle thinking that one of the most American meals is a Hamburger and French fries
 
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I guess everyone stop responding to his own troll threads so he's decided to troll in this thread?
 
I guess we can add puppetry to the list of subjects Anders Lindman doesn't understand.
When I originally read your post I misread it as "I guess we can add puberty to the list of subjects Anders Lindman doesn't understand". It made sense also. :D
 
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_paradox_of_the_uncirculate.html

April 23, 2011

The Paradox of the Uncirculated Two-Million-Dollar Bill

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But you can't invest in this rarity. Because that single piece of paper, of course, is the near-legendary, mythical, official long-form birth certificate of one Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., allegedly of Honolulu, Hawaii. And why is it worth two million dollars and counting? Because that's what it has cost its namesake thus far.

You might ask: at what surreptitious auction -- on what shadowy black market exchange -- behind what alley -- on the steamy docks of what foreign port -- to what documents thief -- hidden in what contraband -- or to what rough thieves and desperate men -- was such a bounty paid for this precious rarity? Why, none of the above. Mr. Obama has willingly paid this king's ransom to his lawyers: not to get it for him, but to keep you from seeing it. Or from finding out it never existed.

Now, your very own personal analog of this particular spectral piece of paper will cost you fifteen bucks or so at the dreary Birth Records Window of your dreary local Town Hall. Or ten, if you were born in Hawaii. So why has it cost its owner the sum of $2,000,000 and counting? There can be only one of only three reasons, each stranger than the others. Reason X: there just is no LFBC, and it never existed, which makes it a pricey chimera indeed. None-of-a-kind: protected by the doubt cast upon its non-existence, by the big money paid to hide what never was! A subterfuge worthy of Poirot. Reason Y: it's real, it may be from Hawaii or from Mombasa or from somewhere else, but it's so ineluctably, fatally damning -- you know: he's Muslim; he's Kenyan; Soetoro's adoption made him Indonesian -- that, to keep it buried, no price is too high. Both of these require that he tough it out to the end.

Then there's a third discernible scenario for the $2M expenditure. Gambit Z: chess game, the Ruy Lopez Mortimer trap. White moves; Black feigns vulnerability, weakness of position. White gets greedy; White gets heedless; White gets overconfident; White moves in to seize and capture. Black pins, checks, takes, gains advantage. The birth certificate proves genuine, verifiable, and unassailable. Hawaii-born, "like we said all along." And it is produced with such nonchalance and exquisite timing -- just at the climactic pinnacle of the 2012 campaign -- so as to explode and deflate the Republicans' by then birth-certificate-frenzied hootenanny like it's the Hindenburg. Two million dollars is one heck of an insurance premium. But what a payout!

Here's the problem with giving credence to this last scenario. If in fact Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., the President's putative father, was -- as the narrative has always run -- a Kenyan Brit, then how could any such bona fide document not reveal that Jr. inherited both dual citizenship and a dual loyalty? Each of these alone is antithetical to natural-bornness, no matter how that elusive quality may someday be finally defined and codified, and each is certainly incompatible with eligibility. And if BHO Sr. wasn't a Kenyan Brit -- or if he wasn't the father at all -- then the President's entire already tenuous provenance is a monstrously false construct, and he a liar of unprecedented compass, who ran and was elected by deceiving and traducing the nation and the world. Not to praise them overmuch, but even his tingling minions might well then awaken -- bloodshot, bleary-eyed, sullen, only grudgingly conscious, but finally sober -- to the truth. That long-delayed dawn, alongside a hefty bipartisan bill of impeachment, would finally be his political downfall.
 
You're on suspension for a week and that's what you come back with?

Well since Hawaii's law clearly states that Obama could get his long form copied and released if he wanted to, and none of you actually want to address that fact, why not? :D
 
Well since Hawaii's law clearly states that Obama could get his long form copied and released if he wanted to, and none of you actually want to address that fact, why not? :D


actually no it doesn't.

If he wants to see his record on file in person, he can go to the Department Of Health and do so. He cannot however, get a copy of it (via photocopy, xerox or digital scan). He can only receive what he already has.


As for your $2 million dollar lie? Yeah we haven't hear that before :rolleyes:
 
I mean it is so sad that the basic way this works...that a birthed will pop in and state a long debunked claim. We explain that it is crap, and then they simply pretend that it was never explained.
 
I mean it is so sad that the basic way this works...that a birthed will pop in and state a long debunked claim. We explain that it is crap, and then they simply pretend that it was never explained.

Same as Truthers. A conspiracy crank is a conspiracy crank.
 
Originally Posted by BeAChooser
Well since Hawaii's law clearly states that Obama could get his long form copied and released if he wanted to, and none of you actually want to address that fact, why not?

actually no it doesn't. If he wants to see his record on file in person, he can go to the Department Of Health and do so. He cannot however, get a copy of it (via photocopy, xerox or digital scan). He can only receive what he already has.

False. Here we go again. The law quite clearly states, as anyone who can read English can see, that the Department of Health can issue a "certified copy" of "any" record for an applicant with a "direct and tangible interest in the record". And it lists "the registrant" as a person considered to have a "direct and tangible interest". Thus, Obama should be able to get a certified "copy" of "any record" in the DoH's possession. That would naturally include the so-called "long form" for Obama, which the head of the DoH has said exists because she's looked at it twice (and therefore knows where it is located). She has also identified the "long form" as a document that would be treated no differently than any other vital record, in a quote I cited as well. So I simply don't understand how you can continue to lie so blatantly in the face of the documented facts. But then I rarely comprehend the *reasoning* of leftists now days. :D
 
Well since Hawaii's law clearly states that Obama could get his long form copied and released if he wanted to, and none of you actually want to address that fact, why not? :D
Its been addressed & you keep running.:D

Now then, why don't you want to post the slightest amount of evidence to support your claims?:boggled:
 
The COLB is a state certified copy, hence what President Obama is what the state provides. So given that we have debunked that one perhaps we can move onto something that hasn't been debunked over and over again for the last 10 pages.
 
False. Here we go again. The law quite clearly states, as anyone who can read English can see, that the Department of Health can issue a "certified copy" of "any" record for an applicant with a "direct and tangible interest in the record".

Then it should be easy to find several folks who were born around the same time as Obama, in Hawaii, and have gotten copies of the forms you want within the past 2-3 years.

I'll give you some room to make a list right here:







More likely, you just are not reading that law correctly.
 
Then it should be easy to find several folks who were born around the same time as Obama, in Hawaii, and have gotten copies of the forms you want within the past 2-3 years.

I'll give you some room to make a list right here:







More likely, you just are not reading that law correctly.

Ten bucks says BAC comes running back here with the Danae certificate (which isn't certified, by Danae's own admission) and the mysterious certificate supposedly obtained by Miki Booth (a proven liar who strangely had no problem posting her son's "short form" all over the internet, but has been somehow totally incapable of getting her son's "long form", relying instead on certificates provided by anonymous "friends").
 
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