Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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JudeBrando said:
Brilliant.

Oh really? What hospital was he born at? Who was the attending doctor?
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Do you mean by this that somebody born at home and not attended by a doctor could never be president? It is a not uncommon situation in this country. Not at yours?
 
erwinl said:
Do you mean by this that somebody born at home and not attended by a doctor could never be president? It is a not uncommon situation in this country. Not at yours?
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For that matter, what if the name of the woman who gave birth to you isn't on the certificate?
 
JudeBrando said:
Brilliant.
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Thanks. It is also true. The dude jumps onto just about every crazy train that comes by.

JudeBrando said:
Oh really? What hospital was he born at? Who was the attending doctor?
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Maybe you didn't read Myron's post. He has a birth certificate issued by the great state of Hawaii. What you are asking is irrelevant detail.

The true lingering unanswered question in this thread is why do you and the Birthers still have "lingering unanswered questions" about the President's citizenship? It is odd that you are so afraid of that question. Why not just answer it and clear that up? What are you afraid of? What are you trying to hide?
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erwinl said:
Do you mean by this that somebody born at home and not attended by a doctor could never be president? It is a not uncommon situation in this country. Not at yours?
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My wife was born at home to a... midwife, I guess is the term. JudeBrando, do you question her citizenship? Is she likely a hidden illegal alien? Why or why not? Your silence on these points are defeaning.
 
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I have a friend who had two of her children at home.

Her husband is in the military and works in the military intelligence field, a field which requires a high-level security clearance. Reason I mention that is because when getting a clearance like that, you have to provide documentation of citizenship for your closest family members. Given that he's current working in an area requiring that security clearance, I'd say the government believes his two children born at home are citizens, even though they weren't born in a hospital or had a doctor attend the birth.
 
I'm just curious what kind of conspiracy that a "non-American" Obama is supposed to lead to. I've seen nothing expanding beyond the supposed "birther" argument other than the fact that they think Obama shouldn't be president because he's [so is claimed] "not an American"...

Has this ever been brought up from the birther camp? Just curious...
 
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JudeBrando said:
Brilliant.

Oh really? What hospital was he born at? Who was the attending doctor?
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Also, who was the nurse, what medicines were administered, what type of birth was it and most importantly was anyone in attendance gay?
 
Sabrina said:
I have a friend who had two of her children at home.
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I was born at home, as was my sister, and all four of my children, and I think both of hers. It looks like none of us will ever be President of the United States of America.

Dave

Of course, none of us are US citizens, but that's not the point!
 
The information Jude wants is not only irrelevant...as the State certifies that he was born in Hawaii (and a rejection of the state's certification means that everyone holding this document from the State, not just Obama, is inherently suspect...and flies in the face of the Constitution...full faith and credit, citizenship, etc.), but -- and here is what is key -- not only would Jude reject the information if it was produced, they are asking Obama to do something that he's not in control of.

He may have been at his birth, but if he doesn't have the pre-electronic record, the information is entirely in the control of the state and governed by state law. Obama can call for it to be released...but it is calling for the state to do something that is against state law. And, if state law can be violated for the President (as Jude seems to think) than the privacy of everyday regular Joe citizens is than in danger.

But, it really comes back to that Jude et. al. are asking something that the completely understand is impossible for Obama. Produce records not in his control. The silence of the state (by law) on the matter builds the conspiracy, the inability of Obama to force the state to do anyting here builds the conspiracy.

They pretend that it is all so reasonable...all we want to know is...

Yet, it isn't a reasonable request...

I go back to Holocaust denile... "the germans were such great record keepers, they would have kept lists..."
 
JudeBrando said:
Brilliant.

Oh really? What hospital was he born at? Who was the attending doctor?
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Could you point out the requirement in the Constitution to be born at a hospital and/or to have an attending physician?
 
TjW said:
Could you point out the requirement in the Constitution to be born at a hospital and/or to have an attending physician?
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More to the point: why do you need to know that when the state of Hawaii has certified that he was born in the state? Why is it important to you? What would it tell you that you don't already know?

It is something like the glee/hope the nutters feel when thinking that on some mythic form, Obama might have been identified as a muslim. Yawn. So what? Is he a muslim today? He's a practicing Christian by public statement. So what would it matter if his father said he was muslim? It would tell you practically nothing about Obama, though maybe something about the father...but so what?
 
headscratcher4 said:
So what would it matter if his father said he was muslim? It would tell you practically nothing about Obama, though maybe something about the father...but so what?
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It tells me much more about the person asking the question than it does about Obama.
 
cwalner said:
It tells me much more about the person asking the question than it does about Obama.
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Exactly.

In my own case, BTW, having grown up in a relatively small town, I know the doctor that allegedly delivered me is dead. He would be unable to confirm whether or not he delivered me or whether I was born in Kenya (as some suspect). Were he alive, he'd be over 100 years old.

I suspect that is the case also for Obama. Knowing the name of the doctor would tell the birthers nothing...
 
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