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That would be 3 million in 3 years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chamber

That's it? All the information about a method of killing that is said to have been used to kill 3 million Jewish people?

That means that all the mountains of information on gassings is just so much crap. Putting it on Wikipedia would expose it for the lies and hate it represents.
Hasn't read jack, can't use Google, doesn't know how to search Wikipedia. Keep looking, grasshopper, you will find more.
 
No, he is EXACTLY right. The Jews in Europe didn't have a clue to what was happening. Why, minutes before being gassed they acted like they were on a picnic. But, don't take my word for it, take Yad Vashem's.....

http://www1.yadvashem.org/exhibitions/album_auschwitz/photo35.html

The holohoax is preposterous, and the lies evaporate with a minute's examination.
Frankly, knowledge and awareness were mixed, as would be expected, with many of those threatened with death unable to believe or accept what was happening around and to them, others shielded from it in various ways, some keenly aware, and many, many worried about what they were hearing and witnessing. If there were no awareness and no "clue to what was happening," then please explain, along with the statement in Lewin's diary, why there was Jewish resistance--and not just the famous Warsaw uprising but smaller and less notorious movements in Vilna, Kovno, Minsk, Pinsk, Novogrudok, Lvov, and elsewhere along with many small and isolated individual acts. Explain why some Jews worked to get word of the mass murders out to the Allies. Why underground Jewish newspapers carried stories about the extermination. Why Jews keeping diaries expressed their fears and recorded rumors and facts which they were hearing. Why newspapers in Allied countries, which we were discussing a few pages back, were running stories about the atrocities. Why the Allies issued statements by late 1943 threatening Nazi leaders with punishment for their crimes.

You can try having it both ways -- that there was no outcry and all Jews went like sheep to slaughter AND that newspapers in the Allied nations and Jewish organizations overplayed the reality and raised an out-of-proportion outcry -- but doing so only makes it look that you have an ax to grind.
 
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No, he is EXACTLY right. The Jews in Europe didn't have a clue to what was happening. Why, minutes before being gassed they acted like they were on a picnic. But, don't take my word for it, take Yad Vashem's.....

http://www1.yadvashem.org/exhibitions/album_auschwitz/photo35.html

The holohoax is preposterous, and the lies evaporate with a minute's examination.

So why was so much effort made to make Treblenka look like a regular train station. Why were Jews forced to write 'fake' postcards back home to encourage others to come to the land of milk and honey.

Why did the Germans feel the need to fool the Jews till the last second
 
The above never happened. Mainly because the Germans were fighting a war for their very survival and the manpower to control, maneuver millions of people into Poland and then kill most of them and dispose of their bodies was simply not available.
Do you know anything about any part of this period? Yes, the Germans were fighting a war, which they characterized as a war for their survival against a Jewish enemy capable of working out of and controlling both London and Moscow. The Nazi view of the war was, as Hitler prophesied, that it would be resolved either with the destruction of Germany or the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe. That the Germans viewed the war in these terms does not make it so, of course. Not only was the German view of the war and of the Jews colored by this outlook, making the Jews, in the Nazi mind, the most lethal enemy of Germany, but also, as Nick Terry pointed out, the Germans occupied vast areas with millions of Jewish residents, having installed police and other security units, some of these forces focused on, as one would expect, given the Nazis' view of the Jews as Germany's worst enemy, dealing with the so-called Jewish danger. And thus taking hard measures against the Jews, such as containing them in ghettos (or do you deny this?), forcing them to perform slave labor, and killing them.
 
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So why was so much effort made to make Treblenka look like a regular train station. Why were Jews forced to write 'fake' postcards back home to encourage others to come to the land of milk and honey.

Why did the Germans feel the need to fool the Jews till the last second
And remember too that during deportations force was used when deception or fear didn't work, and even sometimes when deception and fear were working, with recalcitrants or those slow to move along shot on the spot. Nick Terry mentioned the 5000 shot during the removal of Warsaw's Jews to Treblinka. Shootings during roundups were common in other ghetto roundups, the roundup and deportation to Chelmno of elderly, ill, and the very young in Lodz during September 1942 being another good example.
 
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No, he is EXACTLY right. The Jews in Europe didn't have a clue to what was happening. Why, minutes before being gassed they acted like they were on a picnic. But, don't take my word for it, take Yad Vashem's.....

http://www1.yadvashem.org/exhibitions/album_auschwitz/photo35.html

The holohoax is preposterous, and the lies evaporate with a minute's examination.

I hope everyone, believer and revisionist, goes to the above link.

What drives people to just make up crap like that?
 
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I think the obvious question for Clayton Moore is this one: Why are you here? Your knowledge of the very history you deny is clearly so limited that I can only assume one of the following:

(1) You think you're in some way superior and intend to lord it over us
(2) You are an agent provocateur send by Saggy's "Zionists" to make Holocaust deniers looks stupid

Which is it? Because it certainly can't be that you're here to convince anyone -- even the lurkers.
 
Explain why some Jews worked to get word of the mass murders out to the Allies. Why underground Jewish newspapers carried stories about the extermination. Why Jews keeping diaries expressed their fears and recorded rumors and facts which they were hearing. Why newspapers in Allied countries, which we were discussing a few pages back, were running stories about the atrocities. Why the Allies issued statements by late 1943 threatening Nazi leaders with punishment for their crimes.

If indeed millions of Jewish people had been killed the accusations would have been easily verified.
 
If indeed millions of Jewish people had been killed the accusations would have been easily verified.

Right. Which is why, when the Nazis evacuated territory, it WAS easily verified.

Since you're clearly an expert, please tell us when the first gas chambers were discovered by the Soviets, according to the "story"?
 
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Right. Which is why, when the Nazis evacuated territory, it WAS easily verified.

Yeah sure. After 3 million were killed. Where was the proof of gas chambers right after the war and in the 50s?

Again, the media would have gone to the end of the earth to unearth the gas chamber story. Millions of noncombatants killled in one country, Poland, in 3 years? Right under the worlds nose?
 
If indeed millions of Jewish people had been killed the accusations would have been easily verified.
It has been verified. Rumbula, Bikernieki, Liepaja, Ponar, Treblinka, Chelmno, Lutsk, Pinsk, Lvov, the Seventh and Ninth Forts, Birkenau, Poniotowa, Lida, Ozmiana, Bialystok, Minsk . . . the verification is presented in those dead-tree things you seem to be allergic to.
 
It has been verified. Rumbula, Bikernieki, Liepaja, Ponar, Treblinka, Chelmno, Lutsk, Pinsk, Lvov, the Seventh and Ninth Forts, Birkenau, Poniotowa, Lida, Ozmiana, Bialystok, Minsk . . . the verification is presented in those dead-tree things you seem to be allergic to.

Like I said there was no way in hell a million noncombatant Jewish men, women and children could fall through the cracks.

Like I said there was no way in hell a million noncombatant Jewish men, women and children could fall through the cracks.

2 million?

3 million?
 
Yeah sure. After 3 million were killed. Where was the proof of gas chambers right after the war and in the 50s?

You're kidding, right? Please say you're kidding.

Gas chambers were discovered BEFORE THE WAR WAS OVER. Probably the earliest place they were found was Majdanek, which I'm quite sure you've never heard of. Majdanek was taken by the Soviets in 1944. Lemmy mentioned several other places where the mass murder of Jews was discovered before the war was over. Notably, the Red Army took Birkenau in January 1945.

Do you even know what Birkenau was?

Again, the media would have gone to the end of the earth to unearth the gas chamber story. Millions of noncombatants killled in one country, Poland, in 3 years? Right under the worlds nose?

Yeah. Ever heard of an expression called "the fog of war"? It helped the Nazis, but not enough, as reports of mass exterminations of Jews had slipped out by the end of 1942. Of Poles, in fact, even earlier than that.

You have made it clear that you are so bereft of knowledge in this field that I actually feel sorry for you.
 
Without pretending to know what you mean by "fall through the cracks," I would like to ask that you explain what happened to the Jews of Kaunus, Vilnius, Lodz, Warsaw, and Liepaja, to choose 5 places. Where did they go and how?
 
Like I said there was no way in hell a million noncombatant Jewish men, women and children could fall through the cracks.

Like I said there was no way in hell a million noncombatant Jewish men, women and children could fall through the cracks.

2 million?

3 million?

Oh, good God.

Are you laboring under the impression that nobody knew Jews in Poland were being concentrated in camps or that Jews from around Europe were being sent to Poland?

EVERYONE WAS AWARE THAT JEWS WERE BEING DEPORTED!

Anyway, what happened to them once they got there was far less known. Which evokes the question of whether you even know what role Poland and Polish territory even played in the war.
 
Do you even know what Birkenau was? . . . You have made it clear that you are so bereft of knowledge in this field that I actually feel sorry for you.
It is a curious phenomenon that this one keeps at this . . . his posts are incoherent and display a complete lack of familiarity with the period . . . and yet . . .
 
Frankly, knowledge and awareness were mixed, as would be expected, with many of those threatened with death unable to believe or accept what was happening around and to them, others shielded from it in various ways, some keenly aware, and many, many worried about what they were hearing and witnessing. If there were no awareness and no "clue to what was happening," then please explain, along with the statement in Lewin's diary, why there was Jewish resistance--and not just the famous Warsaw uprising but smaller and less notorious movements in Vilna, Kovno, Minsk, Pinsk, Novogrudok, Lvov, and elsewhere along with many small and isolated individual acts. Explain why some Jews worked to get word of the mass murders out to the Allies. Why underground Jewish newspapers carried stories about the extermination. Why Jews keeping diaries expressed their fears and recorded rumors and facts which they were hearing. Why newspapers in Allied countries, which we were discussing a few pages back, were running stories about the atrocities. Why the Allies issued statements by late 1943 threatening Nazi leaders with punishment for their crimes.

You can try having it both ways -- that there was no outcry and all Jews went like sheep to slaughter AND that newspapers in the Allied nations and Jewish organizations overplayed the reality and raised an out-of-proportion outcry -- but doing so only makes it look that you have an ax to grind.

but doing so only makes it look that you have an ax to grind.

My axe is razor sharp too, the truth is unsparing of the idiocy of the holohoax. That one picture shows what a preposterous pack of lies the entire holohoax is. The fact that Yad Vashem would post it with that caption shows that they are degenerate liars the likes of which the world has never seen.
 
Oh, good God.

Are you laboring under the impression that nobody knew Jews in Poland were being concentrated in camps or that Jews from around Europe were being sent to Poland?

EVERYONE WAS AWARE THAT JEWS WERE BEING DEPORTED!

Anyway, what happened to them once they got there was far less known. Which evokes the question of whether you even know what role Poland and Polish territory even played in the war.
Deported Jews were sometimes jeered by their former neighbors as they were taken away. News of their removal made the newspapers. Where were they taken and what became of them?

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30B1EF8345D167B93C1A8178FD85F478485F9

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...113,6895949&dq=jews+deportations+poland&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...981,4426974&dq=jews+deportations+poland&hl=en

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20A15F73558167B93C0A81782D85F468485F9

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A17F73558167B93C0A81782D85F468485F9

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AJ&pg=3881,5219853&dq=jews+deportations&hl=en

And so on and so on.
 
Yeah sure. After 3 million were killed. Where was the proof of gas chambers right after the war and in the 50s?

Again, the media would have gone to the end of the earth to unearth the gas chamber story. Millions of noncombatants killled in one country, Poland, in 3 years? Right under the worlds nose?

Is that the same media that is supposed to controlled by the Jews, who use it to sell their story and convince the world about the facts behind this myth?

Me thinks if the media found nothing, they would just make it up. Being behind the Soviet Union, who is going to know otherwise

But why would this great intricate myth be created using over 40,000 forms of evidence forget to cover their tracks with the non existent gas chambers
 
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