Critic’s “Top 15” claims by psychic detective Noreen Renier

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Do you mean this quote?

"Now Hewitt and I start working on the numbers. We have to complete the puzzle. Lewis's home was exactly 2.1 miles from the pit. The entrance to the mine is located on US 41, but if you look at the map carefully, you'll see it's also SR 45. Now we were left with the number 22 and couldn't do anything with it. That was until we had Norman's watch cleaned up before giving it back to his brother. It had stopped on the 22nd of the month."

Is there something that Slaughter said that's inconsistent with the audio and video evidence?

That those numbers are the only ones Renier mentioned, and that they're significant.

Option 1 is just another way of saying that you can't explain it.

No it's not. And, again, why is it an option that you can't possibly believe when I put it forwards and yet perfectly reasonable when you do?

Regarding Option 2, Chief Slaughter has mentioned a number of landmarks that Renier provided.

We've already been over this in detail. 3 hits out of a rather large number, and the landmarks fit the pit to the east better than they do the one to the north.

So, basically, the police didn't mention any "information that eluded the police" because Renier didn't provide any.

 

[Sherlock]

Renier "reconfigures" numbers and letters after the fact

Renier has been caught reconfiguring "amazing" matches with numbers and letters before. It's long been a means with her to seem amazing by claiming matches that never existed, but then suddenly come into play after she changes her numbers and letters to match after-the-fact. She's even changed her own matches from one book edition to another to look amazing. See http://www.commentarybysherlock.com/commentarybysherlock/RunwayPart4.asp

So she has absolutely NO CREDIBILITY or as the federal judge on March 21, 2011 noted is not "a credible witness" but one who "misled the court." She lies.

Rodney claims that "even if the police took seriously the notion that Lewis was suicidal, the document referencing the handyman's account provided no clue as to where Lewis' body might be. So, for Posner to refer to that document as a "smoking gun" is more than a big stretch -- it's absurd."

No. Again this is not the case. According to all the media reports I've ever seen about this case (other than Posner's), Renier alone is credited with providing the police with the clue, which required stunning "psychic" ability to come up with. That was her "vision" that they should look for Lewis in a body of water rather than anywhere else. But as Posner clearly explains, Hewitt's report is a "smoking gun" in that it reveals that the police already knew, two months before Renier's reading, that Lewis had been talking about committing suicide in a water-filled quarry, and even opens up the possibility that Renier could actually have first gotten her "water" clue from the police and then merely fed it back to them during her so-called "psychic" trance!

 

[Rodney]

That those numbers are the only ones Renier mentioned, and that they're significant.

Slaughter never said that those numbers were the only ones Renier mentioned, but he did find those numbers significant. You may disagree that they are significant, but you originally claimed "that statements by the police have been contradicted by the evidence." What is your support for that claim?

No it's not. And, again, why is it an option that you can't possibly believe when I put it forwards and yet perfectly reasonable when you do?

I didn't say it was perfectly reasonable, I was simply listing it as a possibility, no matter how remote.

We've already been over this in detail. 3 hits out of a rather large number, and the landmarks fit the pit to the east better than they do the one to the north.

So, basically, the police didn't mention any "information that eluded the police" because Renier didn't provide any.

Which brings us back to Square 1: The police found Lewis's truck and remains after using Renier's reading for guidance, but in your view, it was just blind luck.

 

[Sherlock]

Psychic detective Noreen Renier: Public Charades

Rodney: Did you ever have a chance to read the "top 15" listings which began this thread. I've noticed we've now topped over 100 responses --- many from you --- but you haven't addressed any of the 15. Why?

 

[Rodney]

But as Posner clearly explains, Hewitt's report is a "smoking gun" in that it reveals that the police already knew, two months before Renier's reading, that Lewis had been talking about committing suicide in a water-filled quarry, and even opens up the possibility that Renier could actually have first gotten her "water" clue from the police and then merely fed it back to them during her so-called "psychic" trance!

But as I clearly explained, Hewitt's report simply noted the very late and unsupported assertion by a handyman that Lewis appeared suicidal the last time the handyman talked to him -- whenever that conversation took place. Initially, the handyman claimed the conversation took place only four days before Lewis's disappearance, but then changed the date to approximately three weeks before. So, it's not clear that the police placed any stock in his claim, and they did not solve the case until after Renier's reading two months later.

 

[Rodney]

Rodney: Did you ever have a chance to read the "top 15" listings which began this thread. I've noticed we've now topped over 100 responses --- many from you --- but you haven't addressed any of the 15. Why?

I haven't had the chance, although we have discussed the missing plane case in a previous thread. Again, though, why did you omit the Williston Case from your Top 15?

 

[Sherlock]

I obmitted the Williston case because there is absolutely nothing credible about any paranormal activity by Renier. You continue to point to items that are clearly not paranormal visionary events. One further example:

Quoting Chief Slaughter: "Now Hewitt and I start working on the numbers. We have to complete the puzzle. Lewis's home was exactly 2.1 miles from the pit . . ."

Yet Slaughter knows that hardly anyone reading his words has actually heard the Renier tape, so he can claim without much fear of contradiction that Renier offered a clue that was relevant to Lewis being found "2.1 miles" from his home.

But in reality the recording reveals, her "miles" clues were "45" and "4.5"! And you don't need to trust Gary Posner's reporting about that since he posted the actual audio online!

And the following is in response to your earlier question, "So, why is Slaughter so willing to credit her, if she provided no useful information?"

Her information wasn't necessarily useless, but it wasn't necessarily new or necessarily obtained by "psychic" means. And Posner's article contains this intriguing question that was posed to the Williston police by an attorney, though they got away without having to answer it: "What is the personal relationship, if any, between Detective Hewitt and Noreen Renier?"

Perhaps the attorney should have also asked about any possible relationship between Renier and Slaughter. Something made Renier decide to move from Orlando to the one-traffic-light town of Williston. Could it have been a relationship?

 

[Fnord]

... And the following is in response to your earlier question, "So, why is Slaughter so willing to credit her, if she provided no useful information?"

... Posner's article contains this intriguing question that was posed to the Williston police by an attorney, though they got away without having to answer it: "What is the personal relationship, if any, between Detective Hewitt and Noreen Renier?"

Perhaps the attorney should have also asked about any possible relationship between Renier and Slaughter. Something made Renier decide to move from Orlando to the one-traffic-light town of Williston. Could it have been a relationship?

You're not the only one to raise that issue ... link ... nor are you likely to be the last.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Slaughter never said that those numbers were the only ones Renier mentioned[..]

It's right there in the passage you quoted.

You may disagree that they are significant, but you originally claimed "that statements by the police have been contradicted by the evidence." What is your support for that claim?

See also miles.

I didn't say it was perfectly reasonable, I was simply listing it as a possibility, no matter how remote.

When you'd previously dismissed it entirely. Why the sudden change of heart?

Which brings us back to Square 1: The police found Lewis's truck and remains after using Renier's reading for guidance, but in your view, it was just blind luck.

Because they are clearly retrofitting some of the clues which allegedly led them to the pit and because the clues themselves fit a different pit much better. So, again, if you want to claim that Renier provided some information that the police didn't have, then you should show what that information actually was. So far this has not been done.

 

[Sherlock]

Gary Posner knows this case inside and out. His reasoning and actual visits to investigate the site first hadn place him well beyond any stadium seat quarterbacking, including my own. And the more you read his presentation the more its clear why this was never one of Renier's finest.

Other than like her being "instrumental" in finding a crashed plane --- it made for marvelous media. It is simply another instance of Renier tossing out enough vague babble --- long after the person goes missing -- that something sticks at some point months or years later.

I sense now the letters "R and zero and D and N and an AM and the numbers 1 and 2 and 7 and something moving that's very heavy. And blue. And it turns to black. And there's lots of space. And a face.

 

[Rodney]

And the following is in response to your earlier question, "So, why is Slaughter so willing to credit her, if she provided no useful information?"

Her information wasn't necessarily useless, but it wasn't necessarily new or necessarily obtained by "psychic" means. And Posner's article contains this intriguing question that was posed to the Williston police by an attorney, though they got away without having to answer it: "What is the personal relationship, if any, between Detective Hewitt and Noreen Renier?"

Perhaps the attorney should have also asked about any possible relationship between Renier and Slaughter. Something made Renier decide to move from Orlando to the one-traffic-light town of Williston. Could it have been a relationship?

Noreen Renier must be quite the seductress. According to Posner's 1997 article, she was 60 at that time, which means she was in her late 50s at the time she got involved in the Williston case in July 1995. And you're suggesting she also got involved with both Detective Hewitt and Chief Slaughter? The late Elizabeth Taylor would have been jealous. Of course, since this is a skeptics group, it would be nice if you, Posner, or Fnord had some -- you know -- evidence.

 

[Sherlock]

Well here's the evidence. I knew beforehand in my response just before yours that you would cite Elizabeth Taylor in your response. As Elizabeth Taylor is without question the greatest actress known for her blue eyes, and of course her well recognized Blue Sapphire ring. You note the only color I mentioned was blue. The letters I mentioned include the key letters beginning in your name as well as a double-hit with the "D" for detectives. Detective Hewitt, Slaughter, and even psychic detective Renier. You note Renier was 50 and 60. Both of your only two numbers both end with zero --- the only number I mentioned along with the letters. My numbers 1,2, and 7 equal 9 when totaled. And "nine" is the most mentioned number in your response. I could go on . . . but my evidence is so overwhelming already.

 

[Sherlock]

Worldwide congratulations pouring in

Since posting my 4:01 pm message above I've received more than 600 congratulatory responses from heads of state on my "incredible" foresight and pre-visionary sense. Indeed my original projection of "AM" apparently was another perfect vision of dozens of leaders throughout the Americas stepping up to offer me their amazed regards. As well as the other half the planet still in the early morning hours. Of course I can't share with you the list of these 600 state officials across 38 countries --- they can't afford the publicity for associating with someone as remarkable as me --- but I assure you I will continue to work closely with them. 70% have hired me for regular work.

I am sure too that there are some colleagues out there that can verify that they too were amazed and therefore further add to the evidence of my abilities. Thank you, thank you, everyone.

 

[Zep]

Sherlock, can I ask you to do one thing, please. Stop calling her "psychic detective Noreen Renier" and just call her "Noreen Renier". It's a waste of bytes and time adding the first two words, and clearly she is neither psychic nor a detective. The irony of calling her that wears off after the first two or three hundred times too.

 

[Sherlock]

Agreed. Though it does help search engines.

 

[Zep]

Thanks. And I think they have her now... Good luck!

 

[Wolrab]

Agreed. Though it does help search engines.

No ****, Sherlock.

Sorry, I've been chomping at the bit to post that!

 

[Wolrab]

Sorry, I'm getting ready to go to work and don't have much time. When were the Navy divers called in?

 

[Rodney]

Since posting my 4:01 pm message above I've received more than 600 congratulatory responses from heads of state on my "incredible" foresight and pre-visionary sense. Indeed my original projection of "AM" apparently was another perfect vision of dozens of leaders throughout the Americas stepping up to offer me their amazed regards. As well as the other half the planet still in the early morning hours. Of course I can't share with you the list of these 600 state officials across 38 countries --- they can't afford the publicity for associating with someone as remarkable as me --- but I assure you I will continue to work closely with them. 70% have hired me for regular work.

I am sure too that there are some colleagues out there that can verify that they too were amazed and therefore further add to the evidence of my abilities. Thank you, thank you, everyone.

I congratulate you on a mathematical breakthrough: "My numbers 1,2, and 7 equal 9 when totaled."

 

[Rodney]

Sorry, I'm getting ready to go to work and don't have much time. When were the Navy divers called in?

A very good question. As I pointed out in Post # 77 on this thread: "Posner claims that 'the police did not become aware of the buried track until a portion of it was unearthed after the divers had already been called in.' However, Williston Police Chief Slaughter contradicts Posner, stating that Investigator Hewitt found 'a pile of red bricks. He went back to the rail he discovered earlier, started digging and found an old railroad bed underneath it. I called Levy County Sheriff's Department divers to come over and work the [Whitehurst] pit.'

"Slaughter then relates that the initial search of the Whitehurst pit didn't find anything, but later he noticed 'a wooden truck scale that could be confused for a bridge. Slaughter's confidence grew, and he got some Navy demolition divers to dive the pit on their off time. On their second day, they got a hit while using a magnetometer.' See http://www.lawofficer.com/article/magazine-feature/psychic-detectives"

So, who's right -- Posner, who was not involved in the investigation, but who after-the-fact attempted to discredit Renier; or Slaughter, who directed the investigation from Day 1?