NASA Engineer (ret.) is a Twoofie?

[beachnut]

April would be dead if explosives were used at the pentagon. A fact ignored.

 

[ozeco41]

April would be dead if explosives were used at the pentagon. A fact ignored.

Facts are irrelevant - this is a truther talking. The twisting and turning that is required to change a simple "plane hits building" fact into something else.

Do you fancy writing 'letters to the editor' full of such stupidity? To be published? With your name attached?

I admit I don't understand the political motivation of truthers - or their ego motivation if they genuinely have no political goals. But whether ego driven or politics driven it is a dead set loser strategy to tie whatever they are trying to achieve to easily disproved technical nonsense.

And, unless Joe Public US style is a lot sillier than his Australian equivalent, the said Joe Publics who read letters to the editor ain't gunna be fooled.

 

[tsig]

Addressing just the airplane at the Pentagon at this time, I'll preface with my letter to editor that was published this morning (to the North County Times in San Diego County):

Conflict of interest in 9/11 case

On April 5, a case brought against Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Myers raised the bar to a new level for blatant conflict of interest. Judge John M. Walker Jr., a cousin once removed of George Walker Bush, saw no reason to recuse himself when a case charging the former vice president, secretary of defense and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff came before him for appellate review.

The case charges the defendants with responsibility for injuries suffered by April Gallop, an Army employee, and her newborn son at the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.

Gallop and many others in the 9/11 truth movement contend that explosives were planted inside the Pentagon and that no credible evidence has been presented supporting the theory that Flight 77 actually hit the building. The case before the U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals is being heard by a three-judge panel. A motion to have Judge Walker disqualified from hearing the case was denied.

Dwain Deets
Encinitas

Clearly, there is something there that the defendants don't want to get out.

Here are my five reasons for questioning AA77:

1. The FDR and RADAR records are in conflict with each other.

2. Witnesses attest to seeing airplane on an approach path to the Pentagon that is inconsistent with the physical damage path.

3. Evidence inside the Pentagon (stopped clocks, etc.) correspond to an explosive event approximately 6 minutes before the official time attributed to an airplane impact.

4. No reporting of evidence has occurred that would tie any airplane parts in the debris to any particular airplane.

5. Failure of air defenses to respond to an obvious inflight emergency (complete loss of contact with AA77 by Indianapolis ATC approximately 40 minutes prior to events at Pentagon).

1. No.

2. When witnesses and physical evidence conflict depend on the physical evidence.

3. Clocks can be off.

4. Where did the parts come from?

5. Shooting down commercial airliners is frowned upon.

 

[dadeets]

5. Shooting down commercial airliners is frowned upon.

Showing up to see what is going on is standard operating procedure, has been for decades.

I'm not talking about shooting, I'm talking about finding out what's going on.

 

[dadeets]

4. Where did the parts come from?

Who knows? That's a very good question to be asked at an inquiry.

Or another question, where did the parts go to? Big parts, such as those big engines.

 

[dadeets]

3. Clocks can be off.

Just a little side note on this one. The memorial at the Pentagon used to have the official time of 9:37 AM included next to the date in the marble stonework. Recently, the time of day has been removed from the memorial.

I suspect the authorities realize there is a serious problem with the time of day for the event.

 

[dadeets]

2. When witnesses and physical evidence conflict depend on the physical evidence.

When witnesses and physical evidence conflict, open an inquiry and start asking questions. Be sure to put people under oath.

 

[dadeets]

1. No.

No to all of the examples, or just one?

For example, when the radar and ATC controller sees a descending turn to the left just before primary radar and transponder is lost, but the FDR doesn't show this, does "No" mean, I don't know, that the discrepancy is close enough for government work?

 

[tsig]

No to all of the examples, or just one?

For example, when the radar and ATC controller sees a descending turn to the left just before primary radar and transponder is lost, but the FDR doesn't show this, does "No" mean, I don't know, that the discrepancy is close enough for government work?

Your basing your argument on a FDR that shouldn't exist by your account.

 

[tsig]

Showing up to see what is going on is standard operating procedure, has been for decades.

I'm not talking about shooting, I'm talking about finding out what's going on.

How many military fighters have intercepted civilian airliners?

 

[tsig]

Who knows? That's a very good question to be asked at an inquiry.

Or another question, where did the parts go to? Big parts, such as those big engines.

Are you serious?

 

[tsig]

When witnesses and physical evidence conflict, open an inquiry and start asking questions. Be sure to put people under oath.

Asking questions that have already been answered and refusing to listen to the answers seems futile.

On my oath I swear that's true.

 

[DGM]

How many military fighters have intercepted civilian airliners?

I'd like to know this also Mr Deets. It is "standard procedure" so you must know how many times this was done prior to 9/11.

 

[The Big Dog]

Just a little side note on this one. The memorial at the Pentagon used to have the official time of 9:37 AM included next to the date in the marble stonework. Recently, the time of day has been removed from the memorial.

I suspect the authorities realize there is a serious problem with the time of day for the event.

You've never addressed the fact that Boger was in the control tower where a clock allegedly stopped early.

You also never addressed the fact three of your sources directly and absolutely contradict one another.

Yet you mention some rumor about the time of day on a memorial?

I assume that you are incapable, and wonder why I continue to read this ridiculous no planer thread.

 

[DGM]

Just a little side note on this one. The memorial at the Pentagon used to have the official time of 9:37 AM included next to the date in the marble stonework. Recently, the time of day has been removed from the memorial.

I suspect the authorities realize there is a serious problem with the time of day for the event.

Does anyone have any info on this? I wouldn't hold any hope Mr Deets could tell the truth. I don't remember seeing anything about this.

 

[oody]

Does anyone have any info on this? I wouldn't hold any hope Mr Deets could tell the truth. I don't remember seeing anything about this.

Your intrepid investigoogler oody finds only apparent truther site http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland-Nuclear-Inquest/message/6983 making the claim:

"9:37 AM Stone" at the Pentagon 9-11 memorial has resently been remo

It appears the national security establishment not only feels the need to rewrite history, they wish to scrub away the history embedded in our monuments?

Note: the "9:37 AM Stone" at the Pentagon 9-11 memorial has recently been removed.

9-11 Pentagon Memorial
http://www.pentagonmemorial.net/

According the "OCT" of the 9-11 commission report, the American airline flight 77 strike occurred at 9:37 AM, curiously all the clocks in the west ring impact zone of the Pentagon stopped at 9:30 AM, why would there be a 7 minute discrepancy?
OCT (the official conspiracy theory)

A cursory look around and google site-search of pentagonmemorial.net finds no specific reference to any stone removal. I'll keep poking around.

 

[DGM]

Your intrepid investigoogler oody finds only apparent truther site http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland-Nuclear-Inquest/message/6983 making the claim:



A cursory look around and google site-search of pentagonmemorial.net finds no specific reference to any stone removal. I'll keep poking around.

The reason I asked was, I've been to the memorial and I don't remember a "9:37 AM Stone" or anything like it.

 

[oody]

The reason I asked was, I've been to the memorial and I don't remember a "9:37 AM Stone" or anything like it.

I just found this pic of the stone: http://twitpic.com/qfe8e

ETA: someone's twitter pic labelled "Pentagon Memorial show the time 9:37"

 

[Scott Sommers]

I believe he is referring to the message described in this article
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-11/...ictims-dana-falkenberg-keith-kaseman?_s=PM:US

As they enter the cenotaph, they pass over etched stone that reads, "September 11, 2001 -- 9:37 a.m.," the exact moment of the attack on the Pentagon.

There's also this video. Pay attention around 1:15 into the video.


I believe Dwain got the idea from here,
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Portland-Nuclear-Inquest/message/6983
and since facts found on the Internet are always certainly true, he has not attempted any confirmation himself.

Is that true Dwain?

I too am very bothered by all this. It took THEM 10 years to deal with this? Pretty mysterious. The only explanation I can think of is a gigantic world wide conspiracy involving every head of state and most of the government. Who could THEY be? The New World Order? The Obama Anti-Christ? And why would they wait so long? I'm scared.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

When witnesses and physical evidence conflict, open an inquiry and start asking questions. Be sure to put people under oath.

Yes, the moral gravity of being put under oath is the one thing that foils most perpetrators and abettors of mass murder. Brilliant thinking, oh friend of the truth.