'Lost Civilisations'

Correa Neto said:
Just show us where are the remains of these stone-melting machines or of the infrastructure required to build, mantain and power it all.

Or any small bit of technology of such level dating from Precolumbian times.

We eagerly await for the lame excuse / baseless implausible wild speculations you will provide to explain why there are none.

Or maybe you will just ignore the issue, since it contradicts your belief. Wooful Ignorance Fallacy antecipated...
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I never said THAT was the technique used...I was just spitballing.
 
King of the Americas said:
For the purposes of this thread, I don't need to elaborate as to 'where' I think this lost technology now exists.
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Certainly not, as long as you continue to admit that you have nothing more than an argument from incredulity and ignorance to back your ridiculous conjecture.

King of the Americas said:
Simply put, I don't know...
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Very simply put. Honest. Factual. And it doesn't make anyone look silly. Maybe you could leave it at that.
 
Oh, really? Actually it seems the bulk of your arguments and evidences boils down to spitballing...

Aniway, just show us the remains of the infrastructure required to build, mantain and power anti-gravitation machines to levitate stones, stone-cutting lasers, vimanas, etc.

Or at least some remaining bits of tech of the required level and the proper age. I'll settle for stuff like an alluminium frame, titanium pannel, steel bolt, etc.

We eargerly await the lame excuses for the absence of evidence. Or maybe you'll choose to ignore the issue, since it is against your beliefs and seek shelter behind the Wooful Ignorance Fallacy?
 
Casting Lava? Why would they bother? If they were so advanced why didn't they use Bricks or Concrete rather than chisel stones?
Romans used Concrete, the Dome of the Pantheon in Rome is cast from Concrete. It's 2000 years old. All around the Empire there are walls, docksides and other constructions made from Concrete.
If your Ancients were so advanced why don't they have concrete or even bricks?
 
King of the Americas said:
I have ONLY said that whatever did this work is "gone"...

That in and of itself, could have any number of meanings, but I have not here evoked anything other than "missing", "lost", and "forgotten".
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Your post history implies otherwise. You have repeatedly discussed ancient myth and art as being evidence of sky gods you have claimed are advanced beings that are not human. You're just being evasive now that you've been challenged specifically with a charge that you're insulting our ancestors by claiming they needed more than human ingenuity to work with heavy stones.

So you're now it seems like you're saying humans had ancient human technology. So where do the sky gods and extraterrestrials fit in all this?

It was petty of you to suggest that "I know you are but what am I" response about who is actually discrediting our ancestors considering how often you've argued that advanced ETs are visiting us.

So how do the ETs fit into the advanced human technology?
 
Halfcentaur said:
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So how do the ETs fit into the advanced human technology?
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I don't know that they do.

In 'other' threads I have postulated that a LOOOOOONG time ago, one of our precursors could have ascended, and now exist as "E.T.'s"...the "gods of heaven", or whatever label you wish...EXCEPT 'aliens'. Given then they are from 'here', they are no more alien than we are.

I think it is possible that PP is a remanent of that civilization, who's inhabitants ascended into heaven, taking with them what they could save, before the poop hit the fan here, erasing all but a few scattered traces...

But that is a discussion for another thread.

The OP here, merely asks are there "lost civilizations", which thus far, I think I've demonstrated there is...or are...
 
KotA said:
You don't think our crucibles are up to the task of taking the heat to melt stone?
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What do you mean by "stone"? Do you mean quartz? If so, sure. My little sister works with glass--got a degree in fine art in glass blowing. If you mean any other mineral, we do not have anything large enough to handle construction-sized stonework. And why bother? We'd have to cool it so fast that it would be glass. Not really useful.

Again, you are completely ignorant of basic geology (the definition of "rock" is given at the start of Geology 101 in every university I've ever encountered, and the whole melting point issue was dealt with during the "igneous rock" part).

In 'other' threads I have postulated that a LOOOOOONG time ago, one of our precursors could have ascended, and now exist as "E.T.'s"...the "gods of heaven", or whatever label you wish...EXCEPT 'aliens'. Given then they are from 'here', they are no more alien than we are.
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We're not allowed to postulate that ancient humans used readily-available tools to carve simple shapes into rock, but you're allowed to postulate this sort of inanity? No. Provide evidence, at least. And I'm being generous here--if I played by your rules I'd say "Ascend or it never happened".

I never said THAT was the technique used...I was just spitballing.
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No. You refuse to admit that we've provided multiple viable methods for producing the artifacts you're discussing because (and you are quite insistent on this point) we haven't done it. So either do it and provide evidence that whatever technique you're talking about is what did it, or it's not good enough. Or at least fess up to your double standard. Either way is fine by me.

'I' know what I know BECAUSE I have done some basic research, and have first hand knowledge of what carbide does to granite. I've also used HSS bits on marble, and cold forge steel chisels on limestone.
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Bull. You haven't done the basic research necessary to KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Here I mean to know what rocks were used, how hard those rocks are, and what tools first graders know were lying around. What you've done is pound on some rocks with some tools. While useful, this is not sufficient research. Look at the archeological literature, look at what experiments have been done, in short step off your high horse and admit that other people TODAY aren't complete morons and maybe, just maybe, someone has asked a similar question, and then see if they have. It's fine to speculate and all, but to demand we accept your ideas when you consistently fail to demonstrate the most basic understanding of the systems involved is incredibly arrogant.

The OP here, merely asks are there "lost civilizations", which thus far, I think I've demonstrated there is...or are...
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No. Thus far you've made assertions, backed them up with admittedly amateur attempts at experimentation, Argument from Ignorance (quite literally--we don't know how they did it, therefore the technology is lost; never mind the fact that several methods have been proposed), Argument from Personal Incredulity, and Argument from Ignoring Evidence. This is not sufficient evidence for supporting a theory which contradicts the whole of archeology. You need evidence AT LEAST of equal quality to a standard archeological argument. Preferably a lot better.
 
Correa Neto said:
Oh, really? I will not be convinced untill you prove it by tracking and killing one (OK, I'll settle for an elephant, rhino or hippo to make thing easier for you) using only tools built from wood, stone, bone, animal tendons and leather. Of course, this must be done in the animal's natural habitat. Hey, let's make it even simpler. No need to travel to Africa. Just hunt a grizzly bear or a bison or a muskox. By Ice Age rules.
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I'd be convinced if he could kill a boar with such tools, let alone one of the big five or its equivalent.
In fact if he's in France later this year I could probably arrange an attempt............
 
Dinwar said:
No. Thus far you've made assertions, backed them up with admittedly amateur attempts at experimentation, ...
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I have pointed out the FACT, that bronze and copper tools will NOT carve diorite.

These tools are the ONLY ones known to the Americas.

The conclusion? There was some 'other' method of forming used, now unknown to us.

Your attacks on my amateur stone carving ability, are blunted by the fact that hardness doesn't depend on the skill of the user.
 
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King of the Americas said:
I could kill a mammoth...and I am not diminishing the works of our ancestors. So you can put your strawman back in the box.

In fact, I am saying exactly the opposite. I am saying that our past ancestors were 'better' at carving stone, than we are today. Something has been lost.
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So that's why there are none left.
 
King of the Americas said:
I'd feed them rotten fruit, wait until they passed out, then go in for the kill.

I understand well the 'fermenting arts'.

Our ancestors were better than any here give them credit for.
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Get 'em drunk and take advantage of them might work on dates but I think mammoths are tougher than that.
 
King of the Americas said:
I have ONLY said that whatever did this work is "gone"...

That in and of itself, could have any number of meanings, but I have not here evoked anything other than "missing", "lost", and "forgotten".
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It came, it worked, it vanished.
 
catsmate1 said:
I'd be convinced if he could kill a boar with such tools, let alone one of the big five or its equivalent.
In fact if he's in France later this year I could probably arrange an attempt............
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...or if he's in Texas he could just hunt feral hogs.

(Anyway, I thought Asterix and Obelix took care of all the wild boars in Gaul.)
 
King of the Americas said:
If it is the same one I've seen, they made a 5 ft tall statue, and NOT one of those lego stones...
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Please explain the distinction between carving a statue out of diorite using tools that you say don't exist (but which you evidently concede can carve a statue) and carving a squared stone.

King of the Americas said:
I have pointed out the FACT, that bronze and copper tools will NOT carve diorite.
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Then how was the statue, which you concede above was carved using such tools, carved? Your entire position is self-contradictory and willfully obtuse.
 
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