'Lost Civilisations'

I still would like to see some indication of what this 'high tech' was. Why is there a complete lack of evidence for it or the supporting industry needed to produce and support it.

What if they used sand filled boxes, with a cavity embedded, then filled them with molten lava...? Are there any active volcanos nearby?

What 'indication' would be left from such an industry?

I don't have any evidence that this was the method employed, other than this is what it 'looks' like. These lego stones look mass produced, and not individually carved.
 
Several times in the past couple of years in various threads I've brought up the 'reedboat' project, where a team of experimental archeologists built a reproduction reed boat, successfully loaded a nine ton stone from the original quarry on one side of lake Titicaca, sailed across the lake to Tiwanaku (Puma Punku is one of the temples in Tiwanaku), unloaded the stone, dragged it to the site, and reproduced one of the carved stones, all using nothing but hand tools from the period when the site was originally built. KoTA has seen this link posted at least twice in the past, and continues to contend that no such thing is possible. Here's number three.

http://www.reedboat.org/index.html
 
Several times in the past couple of years in various threads I've brought up the 'reedboat' project, where a team of experimental archeologists built a reproduction reed boat, successfully loaded a nine ton stone from the original quarry on one side of lake Titicaca, sailed across the lake to Tiwanaku (Puma Punku is one of the temples in Tiwanaku), unloaded the stone, dragged it to the site, and reproduced one of the carved stones, all using nothing but hand tools from the period when the site was originally built. KoTA has seen this link posted at least twice in the past, and continues to contend that no such thing is possible. Here's number three.

http://www.reedboat.org/index.html

If it is the same one I've seen, they made a 5 ft tall statue, and NOT one of those lego stones...
 
The radioactive half life of the stone would be wrong, and the crystal formations would indicate the stones cooled unnaturally fast

It just a thought I read somewhere else...

Have there been any studies on the radioactive half life of the stones, themselves?
 
It just a thought I read somewhere else...

Have there been any studies on the radioactive half life of the stones, themselves?

There is no evidence of volcanic activity in at least a few million years in the area. Trying to cast stone from lava would be a process beyond even todays technology
 
KotA said:
Then produce it, and I'll shut my yap.
No. It doesn't work like that. YOU present a theory, YOU present the evidence. We are NOT obligated to do the research you're too lazy to do yourself, and the fact that we don't want to do the work you should have done BEFORE JOINING THIS CONVERSATION is in no way proof that you're right. It's only proof that we think you're lazy and intellectually dishonest.

Have there been any studies on the radioactive half life of the stones, themselves?
:boggled: Stones don't have halflives. Isotopes do. And yes, there have been studies of radiometric decay in diorite.

If it is the same one I've seen, they made a 5 ft tall statue, and NOT one of those lego stones...
And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason to refuse a demand like KotA is making above: nothing will satisfy him. It's God of the Gaps, but with aliens.

Why is there a complete lack of ANY evidence as to how Puma Punku was built?

Simply put, I don't know...MAYBE the date for construction is off, and time itself consumed all the evidence.
HOW DO YOU KNOW? Without doing the basic research you CANNOT justify a statement of this kind. Period. And given the gross errors you've made in terms of lithology, and artifacts, and pyramid construction, and the like, it's obvious you haven't done this. Simply put, you don't know enough to make the statement that there's no evidence as to how Puma Punku was built.
 
And I think holding that our ancestors developed or possessed 'advanced technology' is saying they were as smart or better than we are now.

No. Carving stone with simple tools demands better skills than using advanced gadgets.

Tell me, who's more skilled-
The guy who can't carve well using modern tools or the guy who creates a masterpiece with simple tools?

Face it- those folks could do with simple tools what you can not with modern tools. You are not exactly a supreme refference in stone carving, interpretation of myths, identifying things in the sky, hunting big game and 'fermenting arts'. You are just overblowing your skills and credentials; something other defenders of fringe subjects also do.

I hold that man's development has NOT been a slow steady rise to whom we are now. Instead, it would appear to me that our development has been marked by peaks and valleys. We HAVE suffered losses in technology, civilization, and knowledge.

Oh, and as evidence you present what? Ignorance of science, architecture, stone carving, lack of skills and imagination coupled with overblown credentials/skills and prejudice against humans which lived centuries ago?

Where are the remains of the industrial, mining and farming complexes such advanced civilizations would require? You can't build a screw driver or a vimana out of thin air, you know...

YOU on the other hand suggest that our ancestors would moronically have attempted to cut hard stones with bronze tools, even if it took them a really long time.

Get your facts straight and do not distort my positions.

I say our ancestors skillfully and painfully carved stones with simple tools, creating masterworks. The only things that could be labelled as moronic are arguments such as yours quoted above.

Moreover, I would greatly appreciate it if you stopped attributing arguments to me, that I have not put forward. I have NOT attributed these works to anyone. I have ONLY said that whatever did this work is now 'lost'.

Please set your claims and facts straight, for you claimed more than once that such were the works of "ascended people", "skygods", another race, etc.
 
Then you should have no problem posting the results...

Once again you put off to other people the research you should be doing.

http://www.peru-travel-confidential.com/incas-architecture.html


At Wikipedia we have the following:

The Inca constructed stone temples without using mortars yet the stones fit together so well that one could not fit a knife through the stonework. The rocks used in construction were sculpted to fit together exactly by repeatedly lowering a rock onto another and carving away any sections on the lower rock where the dust was compressed. The tight fit and the concavity on the lower rocks made them extraordinarily stable.

From

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_civilization


http://www.darylscience.com/Demos/IncaBuilding.html

http://books.google.ca/books?id=-sU...resnum=10&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf044/sf044p01.htm


Nova even did a program about how Machu Picchu was built.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/wright-inca-engineering.html

How about the following articles.

Peter Protzen, Inca Stonemasonry, Scientific American 254 (2) pp. 183-214. and Inca Architecture and Construction at Ollantaytambo, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1993.

The Incas: New Perspectives, Gordon F. McEwan, W.W. Norton and Company, New York, 2006, pp. 269-277.

The Incas, Terence N. D'Altroy, Blackwell Pub.,Oxford, 2003, pp. 308-310.

Peter Prozen himself as done work on replicating how Inca stone work was done. The Nova program also had some of that. I also remember stuff on the National Geographic channel about Inca techniques of stone cutting, polishing and moving. As it is the above took a mere ten minutes to put together and frankly given your total inability to do even the most basic level of research but expect other people to do it for you. I'm done.
 
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No. It doesn't work like that. YOU present a theory, YOU present the evidence...

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My theory is..."We don't know what process was used, because it is lost, forgotten, or otherwise erased from history, thus far..."

*We have yet to find or otherwise identify the manner in which the PP stones were formed.

'I' know what I know BECAUSE I have done some basic research, and have first hand knowledge of what carbide does to granite. I've also used HSS bits on marble, and cold forge steel chisels on limestone.

Bronze chisels were NOT used to create those descending squares. Attempting to prove me wrong would be YOUR task, not mine.
 
I am not sure how I can be, the first link shows the growth of population in the area and the origins of the populations

The second link shows the culture that preceeded the builders

Maybe you could point to the part where it says, this wall made of the lego stones, are dated (?)...compared to this sandstone with the characters carved therein, it is dated (?)...?
 
Just show us where are the remains of these stone-melting machines or of the infrastructure required to build, mantain and power it all.

Or any small bit of technology of such level dating from Precolumbian times.

We eagerly await for the lame excuse / baseless implausible wild speculations you will provide to explain why there are none.

Or maybe you will just ignore the issue, since it contradicts your belief. Wooful Ignorance Fallacy antecipated...
 
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Please set your claims and facts straight, for you claimed more than once that such were the works of "ascended people", "skygods", another race, etc.

I have ONLY said that whatever did this work is "gone"...

That in and of itself, could have any number of meanings, but I have not here evoked anything other than "missing", "lost", and "forgotten".
 
I have ONLY said that whatever did this work is "gone"...

That in and of itself, could have any number of meanings, but I have not here evoked anything other than "missing", "lost", and "forgotten".

Weasel words (which I expected), and as evidence to back that up, I refer to http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197446. It'll take some reading, but anyone willing to plow through will see your insistence that such "advanced technology" was brought [back] to Earth by somebody/somethingwe'renotcallingaliens in UFOs.
 
Weasel words (which I expected), and as evidence to back that up, I refer to http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197446. It'll take some reading, but anyone willing to plow through will see your insistence that such "advanced technology" was brought [back] to Earth by somebody/somethingwe'renotcallingaliens in UFOs.

For the purposes of this thread, I don't need to elaborate as to 'where' I think this lost technology now exists.

The point herein, is to understand only that there are things, even entire civilizations "lost" to us.
 

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