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Merged Freeman on the Land in America/lawful rebellion/sovereign citizens

D'rok said:
Truest words ever spoken by an FOTLer:



See the link for evidence that his self-assessment is spot on.
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Am I reading this right?

If that court is not afraid of the truth there should be no objection to my entering the truth into the record. Either the court is about truth and justice or it's not. The intent of my appearance is to clear up any misunderstandings for anyone who does not understand what a CQV trust is, how performance bonds are created and what is actually securing our debt in this, the land of the FREE.
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His intention is to educate the court on it's misunderstandings?
 
Stacey Grove said:
Am I reading this right?


His intention is to educate the court on it's misunderstandings?
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Public service, freeman-delusion style.

Horatius said:
Wow, those bastards!
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Yeah, it's like Agent Smith telling Neo that submitting to the Matrix is freedom.

(Sadly, that seems to be pretty much exactly how many of these loons see the world).
 
D'rok said:
Public service, freeman-delusion style.

Yeah, it's like Agent Smith telling Neo that submitting to the Matrix is freedom.

(Sadly, that seems to be pretty much exactly how many of these loons see the world).
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"V For Vendetta" is also big with these kooks.
 
Looks like those sovereign citizens are at it again, this time in Alaska.

Alaska militia charged in kidnap-murder plot

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Five Fairbanks-area residents involved in a loose-knit militia group have been arrested in connection with a plot to kidnap or kill Alaska state troopers and a local judge, federal and state authorities said on Friday.

The group includes Francis "Schaeffer" Cox, the 26-year-old leader of the so-called "citizen sovereignty" movement, which considers individuals to be sovereign nations not subject to any state or federal laws.

Cox and his associates had developed an extensive plan to launch their attacks, the troopers said in a statement.

They had already conducted extensive surveillance on Fairbanks-area troopers, locating the homes of two troopers, and acquired a large cache of weapons, some of them illegal, according to the statement.

According to prosecutors, the weapons amassed by the group included machine guns, multiple assault rifles, multiple pineapple grenades, at least one grenade launcher, dozens of high-powered rifles and pistols and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

More at the linked site.

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Wonder how things will go if he refuses to contract with the court.
 
Big news! The Illimuminati have finally been revealed by the tireless research of an FOTLer warrior. The Illumintati is...CANADA! And its nefarious tool of world slavery is..The Government of Canada's terminology and linguistic data bank.

The Corporations Act is the Supreme Act of Canada.....the USA....and every other single country on the planet save, for the ones you can count on the fingers of one hand.
The Official language of terms used in contracts around the entire world comes from Canada.
Corporations world wide rely exclusively on Canada to produce the style & terms used in every national, international and private contract which may be disputed at the Hague or any other U.N. sponsered court.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059746940&postcount=44
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I have seen the enemy, and he likes bacon and hockey!
 
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does anyone know where to access volume 19 of CJS (Corpus Juris Sec.)? I won't pretend to know what that is, but it's quoted here:

In Volume 19, CJS (Corpus Juris Sec.) § 968 one finds the statement that “The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a State.” The above case is cited as the authority.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/CommonLaw/comments/79ra9/is_the_us_a_corporation/

This is very strange and doesnt even make sense so I would like to know the context.
 
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D'rok said:
Big news! The Illimuminati have finally been revealed by the tireless research of an FOTLer warrior. The Illumintati is...CANADA! And its nefarious tool of world slavery is..The Government of Canada's terminology and linguistic data bank.

I have seen the enemy, and he likes bacon and hockey!
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Maybe Robert Menard is involved then, eh?
 
therival58 said:
does anyone know where to access volume 19 of CJS (Corpus Juris Sec.)? I won't pretend to know what that is, but it's quoted here:


http://www.reddit.com/r/CommonLaw/comments/79ra9/is_the_us_a_corporation/

This is very strange and doesnt even make sense so I would like to know the context.
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I'll say it doesn't make sense. Near the beginning, he states, "The legal definition of a "foreign corporation" is different from the colloquial use of the phrase." But by the end of the essay, he's talking about the US as a foreign corporation, in the entirely colloquial sense of the term, and drawing the usual FoTLer conclusions on that basis. So he's not even being internally consistent.

This is pseudo-scholarship. It has the outward appearance of scholarship, but lacks the rigour of real scholarship.
 
Horatius said:
I'll say it doesn't make sense. Near the beginning, he states, "The legal definition of a "foreign corporation" is different from the colloquial use of the phrase." But by the end of the essay, he's talking about the US as a foreign corporation, in the entirely colloquial sense of the term, and drawing the usual FoTLer conclusions on that basis. So he's not even being internally consistent.

This is pseudo-scholarship. It has the outward appearance of scholarship, but lacks the rigour of real scholarship.
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But what is "Corpus Juris Sec"?

BTW, look at this link he quotes the same quote from CJS except this time its in volume 20, not 19:p
http://www.sovereign-citizenship.net/04_usinc.html

the statement by former Speaker James Traficant, Jr. is interesting though

"It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent, H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.” --United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33
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This thread claims the original speech "was altered in the official US records to conceal the truth".
http://www.dailypaul.com/70415/u-s-congressional-record-march-17-1993-vol-33-page-h-1303

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17157750/...sional-Record-March-17-1993-Vol-33-Page-H1303
I'm not sure how they can substantiate that claim.
 
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therival58
you avoided my previous post asking you what your stance was and now seem to post pro fmotl links and pretend you want verification of the content.
Just come clean and we can then discuss things properly rather than from a false premise.
 
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jargon buster said:
therival58
you avoided my previous post asking you what your stance was and now seem to post pro fmotl links and pretend you want verification of the content.
Just come clean and we can then discuss things properly rather than from a false premise.
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JB,

I'm not masquerading my opinion the fact is if you google CJS 20 or 19 all you come up with are pro FOTL sites, and I wanted to point out that they seem to flip flop between volumes 19 and 20 of CJS for that "foreign corporation" quote.

And in all honestly, I just came across that "supposed" quote by Rep. Traficant from the 1993 U S Congressional Record.

I won't lie when I say I wanted others to see it and see if they're heard it touted before.

But if you get the impression I am FOTL advocate masquerading as a skeptic, let me shoot that down right away. If I find sources non-FOTL I will be sure to post them
 
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stop dodging the question
What is your stance on the FMOTL concept and do you believe it has validity in law.
 
therival58 said:
But what is "Corpus Juris Sec"?

BTW, look at this link he quotes the same quote from CJS except this time its in volume 20, not 19:p
http://www.sovereign-citizenship.net/04_usinc.html
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I have no idea what that is, I'll leave that for people who might actually know about it. I was just commenting on the obvious contradictions in his post. Even if that's a real source, and a real quote, his conclusions are internally inconsistent.



the statement by former Speaker James Traficant, Jr. is interesting though



This thread claims the original speech "was altered in the official US records to conceal the truth".
http://www.dailypaul.com/70415/u-s-congressional-record-march-17-1993-vol-33-page-h-1303

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17157750/...sional-Record-March-17-1993-Vol-33-Page-H1303
I'm not sure how they can substantiate that claim.
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That's a classical example of what Neil deGrasse Tyson was talking about in this quote I posted to another thread:


Horatius said:
Neil deGrasse Tyson had a good twitter post on this last week:


Conspiracy theorists are those who claim coverups whenever insufficient data exists to support what they're sure is true.
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They know it's a real quote, but they can't prove it because it was "covered up". :rolleyes:

What really saddens me is that there are people out there who actually seem willing to accept an argument like that.
 
therival58 said:
JB,

I'm not masquerading my opinion the fact is if you google CJS 20 or 19 all you come up with are pro FOTL sites, and I wanted to point out that they seem to flip flop between volumes 19 and 20 of CJS for that "foreign corporation" quote.
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If you get involved in researching conspiracy theory claims, you'll see a lot more of that. It's the CT echo chamber effect; one guy, somewhere, somewhen, made up a quote, and because it supports their world view, fellow CTers cut and paste the quote to all of their websites, with none of them bothering to check to see if it's accurate, or even real.

Every now and then, we see someone post a list of quotes that "proves" some CT or other, and every time I've tried to track any of these quotes to their original source, I've found two things: 1) large numbers of CT sites that have the exact same quotes and citations, and 2) the original source is either fake, mis-quoted, altered, or taken so far out of its original context as to completely alter its meaning.
 
jargon buster said:
stop dodging the question
What is your stance on the FMOTL concept and do you believe it has validity in law.
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If you want an answer, I will give it to you:

As of now, I do not see sufficient evidence to support the "Freeman of the Land" legal claims.
 
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