Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Alferd_Packer]

So you are suggesting that for YEARS, with all this birther crap going on, it WAS possible to get a long form, and not a single birther noticed, until now? How stupid do you have to be?

I sent an e-mail to the state of Hawaii concerning the image shown on that site.

I imagine that they will take a dim view of anyone altering their official docuemnt like that.

 

[beren]

What? Another right wing conspiracy theory site?

Once you pop, you can't stop!

 

[kookbreaker]

I sent an e-mail to the state of Hawaii concerning the image shown on that site.

I imagine that they will take a dim view of anyone altering their official docuemnt like that.

I couldn't get the large image to load. Was something added?

 

[kookbreaker]

That entire site seems flabbergasted that citizens do not have free and constant access to documents that, if lost or given to the wrong person could result in massive administrative issues for people. They seem stunned at a policy decision and are acting as if it was just implemented when it was likely made decades ago.

 

[A'isha]

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/breaking-from-hawaii-no-more-long-form-birth-certificates/



Why the sudden change? Hmmmmm? Just curious.

So the entire Hawaii Department of Health is in on the conspiracy and coverup of Obama's birth records?

 

[carlitos]

Miki Booth has just reported via telephone to The Post & Email

Let me guess. Some birthers had a contest to find the least credible source, and Orly Taitz was out of town that day? Someone by phone to a nutter website? Srsly?

 

[A'isha]

Let me guess. Some birthers had a contest to find the least credible source, and Orly Taitz was out of town that day? Someone by phone to a nutter website? Srsly?

And she didn't even talk about what she did...she was reporting what someone else supposedly did!

 

[Arus808]

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/breaking-from-hawaii-no-more-long-form-birth-certificates/



Why the sudden change? Hmmmmm? Just curious.

And I debunked this in less than 2 hours;

2nd hand hearsay, of an unknown "man" who claims "something" without corroboration (aka EVIDENCE) to a known birther.


However, I have evidence that the request form that you fill out has no space to request the type of COLB you get (this is the form I grabbed a copy of and scanned, when I requested a copy of my COLB):

Oh damn, it matches their ONLINE FORM!:

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf



So, we are to believe this "nameless" man, who claims that you could fill out the form above to get a "long" form... Where pray tell are these check boxes?



The form has been this way since 2005 (the last revision). IF sudden change means that it hasn't changed in 6 years, then BAC has a funny definition of the word "change".

BTW -- Long Form is a birther term. THAT TERM did not exist prior to 2008. So that's how we know that Miki Booth and this "nameless" man are lying.




So another smackdown of lies by the Pest And Efail . Miki Booth should be wise not to post her lies to the web anymore as she can be easily caught on them.

 

[Arus808]

What? Another right wing conspiracy theory site?

And there is a reason why we call the PanE as the Pest and Efail or the PEe and EEE. Guess you can figure it out.

BAC should be wise as to who he trust with his information gathering; Sharon Ronduh (not how you spell her last name) has been making seditionist claims for the better part of 2 1/2 years.

The shenanigans of the PEE and EEE are talked about here:
http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2563&sid=dbe5a4dc0bc0119b896fd0ea08aace06

 

[Horatius]

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/breaking-from-hawaii-no-more-long-form-birth-certificates/



Why the sudden change? Hmmmmm? Just curious.

So, Sharon Rondeau reports that Miki Booth says that some guy on the phone says something has happened.


Yep, I'm convinced.


I won't say of what.

 

[Upchurch]

So, Sharon Rondeau reports that Miki Booth says that some guy on the phone says something has happened.

And thus, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands appears to be lying because some unnamed guy says he remembers that there was a checkbox for different kinds of forms.

BAC, why do Birthers like yourself believe anonymous anecdotal stories over actual recorded evidence? Do you just simply see the world in partisan black-and-white where facts don't really matter?

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

Do you just simply see the world in partisan black-and-white where facts don't really matter?

BINGO! We have a winner! Seriously. that IS how they view the world.

 

[BeAChooser]

What? You folks don't believe Michael Isikoff?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics#

As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice.

Now if the so-called "long form" absolutely exists, why doesn't Obama just end this whole controversy by asking Hawaii to publish that so-called "long form" record of live birth? Hmmmm? He is the President, after all. Are you naive enough to believe they'd refuse a request from him? Do you think letting this controversy simmer is good for the country? Of course not. Wouldn't it be in the interest of the country to resolve this once and for all? Of course. So why isn't he putting an end to this? What is he hiding? Hmmmmm? Just curious.

 

[beren]

What? You folks don't believe Michael Isikoff?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics#



Now if the so-called "long form" absolutely exists, why doesn't Obama just end this whole controversy by asking Hawaii to publish that so-called "long form" record of live birth?

Even if he could, why should he?

Hmmmm? He is the President, after all. Are you naive enough to believe they'd refuse a request from him?

The president is not above the law, you know.

Do you think letting this controversy simmer is good for the country?

Actually, yes, I do.

Of course not.

I disagree.

Wouldn't it be in the interest of the country to resolve this once and for all?

No, actually.

Of course.

I disagree.

So why isn't he putting an end to this? /quote]
Why should he?

What is he hiding?

What evidence is there that he is hiding anything?

Hmmmmm? Just curious.

Liar.

 

[beren]

What? You folks don't believe Michael Isikoff?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics#



Now if the so-called "long form" absolutely exists, why doesn't Obama just end this whole controversy by asking Hawaii to publish that so-called "long form" record of live birth?

Even if he could, why should he?

Hmmmm? He is the President, after all. Are you naive enough to believe they'd refuse a request from him?

The president is not above the law, you know.

Do you think letting this controversy simmer is good for the country?

Actually, yes, I do.

Of course not.

I disagree.

Wouldn't it be in the interest of the country to resolve this once and for all?

No, actually.

Of course.

I disagree.

So why isn't he putting an end to this?

Why should he?

What is he hiding?

What evidence is there that he is hiding anything?

Hmmmmm? Just curious.

Liar.

 

[KDLarsen]

Because he can't?

I know you'll ignore it, but just for you, I'll quote the relevant statutes:

§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18

And I wouldn't be surprised, that if he did release it anyway, BAC would be screaming bloody murder that Obama broke the law...

 

[A'isha]

What? You folks don't believe Michael Isikoff?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics#

I like how you ignore every single statement in that article from Hawaii officials about how the "long form" simply cannot be released. And by "like" I mean "facepalm at how disingenuously dishonest you are".

Now if the so-called "long form" absolutely exists, why doesn't Obama just end this whole controversy by asking Hawaii to publish that so-called "long form" record of live birth? Hmmmm? He is the President, after all. Are you naive enough to believe they'd refuse a request from him?

So, you want President Obama to completely disregard Hawaii state law by either making some sort of executive fiat order, or by coercing state officials to break their own laws?

Does your newfound respect for Obama's dictatorial powers and disrespect for the law portend a change in your views regarding the President and what he can do, BAC? What other state laws do you feel Obama can freely break (or make others break), simply by virtue of the fact that he's President?

 

[KDLarsen]

Oh, and the Pest & Efail appears to have forgotten, that Greg Lakin (brother of Terry) tried and FAILED to obtain his daughters long form BC. This was several months ago.

How would that be, if the box to obtain one was only just removed?

 

[BeAChooser]

Even if he could, why should he?

For the good of the country. Wouldn't you agree it would be in the interest of the country if people like Trump could be reassured about Obama's citizenship? Wouldn't it be best if such a large fraction of the American population had no doubts? Sure, there would always be some who would not accept any proof, but by publishing the so-called "long form", Obama in one fell swoop could completely marginalize them as utter kooks … no different than the 9/11 Truthers. Right now, many ordinary people, like myself, like Trump, like Chris Matthews, would just like to be reassured. Because there is sooooo much about Obama that we still don't know … that he seems to be actively trying to hide. Surely it would be in the interest of the country and Obama to resolve this once and for all?

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Hmmmm? He is the President, after all. Are you naive enough to believe they'd refuse a request from him?

The president is not above the law, you know.

LOL! You'd be amazed at the number of laws that have been bent for Presidents. And in point of fact, it would be within Obama's power to issue an Executive Order directing the release of the document in the interests of national security. Presidents have that much power. Because these doubts are the seeds of foment. We even have soldiers now refusing to fight because they are doubting the citizenship of the President. Surely this needs to be resolved, once and for all, without delay, because we are at war, whether the left wants to call it a war or not.

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Do you think letting this controversy simmer is good for the country?

Actually, yes, I do.

Well there you go, folks. You can see where beren is coming from.

 

[BeAChooser]

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.

LOL! You don't think the President of the US, in the interests of national harmony, has a "direct and tangible interest in the record"?

Sorry, but all I hear from you are lame excuses.

And by the way, when have democrats really cared about the law? They certainly didn't during the Clinton administration.

And there are already plenty of examples of the Obama administration making a mockery of "the law".