Assistance required for telepathy proof

[Pixel42]

If you could hear me then you would not need an explanation.

If I could hear you I would certainly need an explanation. It would be an extraordinary thing, something that contradicted almost everything I currently understand about how the world works. Very exciting.

But I can't hear you, so no exciting discoveries are pending.

Pretending to not hear me does not convince me of anything as everyone I know does that and says they cannot hear me when I already know they can.

If you already know, why are you trying (and failing) to prove it?

People manage to convince themselves of all sorts of things that aren't true. We've had people posting on this board who are convinced that they can dowse for gold, predict the future, talk to the dead, use a pendulum to identify upside-down playing cards, are the reincarnation of Bonny Prince Charlie, see kidneys inside the human body, transmit their thoughts to everybody in the world (no, you're not the first to make that particular claim). No evidence, let alone proof, has ever been forthcoming of any of these claims. Yet these people were as convinced, and as sincere, as you are.

You cannot "know" that other people can hear your thoughts until you have proof, you can only suspect it. Lots of people who had similiar suspicions eventually discovered that they were due to coincidence, confirmation bias and/or mental illness. Your default assumption, until and unless you can prove otherwise, should be that you are similarly mistaken.

 

[Akhenaten]

If you could hear me then you would not need an explanation. Pretending to not hear me does not convince me of anything as everyone I know does that and says they cannot hear me when I already know they can.

Given that, even if it worked, you can't hook everyone in the world up to your flashy lights machine, how do you tell the difference between people who can hear your thoughts and are lying about it and people who are truthfully saying that they can't hear a thing?

Whoever can tell me what town I live in and my first name would convince me that they are willing to tell the truth, at least to start with.

Well, I imagine the Police know both of these things. I guess that means they're telling the truth so the big inquiry can be called off.

I do not do anything deliberately, my “telepathy” is always on. People can hear what I hear and what I think.

How do you know this?

I do not know of any limitation to how far it goes and have never met anyone who cannot hear me.

golfy

You don't know of any limitations because you haven't figured out how to test it yet. Remember?

 

[desertgal]

<snip> Pretending to not hear me does not convince me of anything as everyone I know does that and says they cannot hear me when I already know they can. <snip>

How do you know they can? You said yourself that YOU can't hear what other people are thinking, but you automatically assume that everyone can hear you.

Isn't it far more logical that people can't hear you in the same way that you can't hear them?

 

[golfy]

Dave
Cambridge

Well my name is Dave and I live in the county of Cambridgeshire, but do you know the town name?

golfy

 

[Beelzebuddy]

St. Ives would make the best limerick.

Or, uh, or so you're telling me!

 

[Sledge]

Have we scared golfy off? Is he, even as we speak, plotting new ways to make flashing lights equal telepathy? Does his obsession with flashing lights explain why he fixated on the police? All these questions and many more may or may not* be answered. Stay tuned, lunacy fans!

*probably not

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Have we scared golfy off? Is he, even as we speak, plotting new ways to make flashing lights equal telepathy? Does his obsession with flashing lights explain why he fixated on the police? All these questions and many more may or may not* be answered. Stay tuned, lunacy fans!

*probably not

What? Your not getting his psychic replies?

 

[Sledge]

I'm just getting masses of transsexual pornography.

Wait, sorry. That's the other window in my browser.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I do not know of any limitation to how far it goes and have never met anyone who cannot hear me.

How could you possibly know you have never met anyone who cannot hear you?

I cannot hear you.

 

[streamlet]

Here's a possible test, no blinky lights needed:
-Golfy sets his technology to record tomorrow's live news.

-Golfy gets very drunk. Golfy should have a nondrinking friend along to give him a ride home.

-Golfy spends the next morning projecting thoughts like, "my head is falling off" and "oh god, I'm going to throw up!"

-If Golfy is telepathic, the newscasters on the morning's news should all have their heads down on their desks or be puking on camera. Everyone may lie about being able to hear Golfy's thoughts, but if they're recieving telepathy straight to the gag reflex they won't be able to hide that. If the newscasters are healthy during the time Golfy was hung over, this proves they cannot hear his thoughts.

-If the nondrinking friend sleeps over on Golfy's couch, he will also show a telepathically aquired hangover, or not. And he can get Golfy water and hangover cures.


In fact, considering that everyone in the world can hear Golfy's thoughts there would be worldwide panic as every single person comes down with headaches and nausea. Then all Golfy needs to do is alert the JREF when he's going to get hung over next time, and when the global illness reoccurs on schedule the million will be his.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

-Golfy gets very drunk. Golfy should have a nondrinking friend along to give him a ride home.

I volunteer to be the subject of a control experiment. Please advise where I should meet my designated driver and collect my beer money!

 

[golfy]

Have we scared golfy off? Is he, even as we speak, plotting new ways to make flashing lights equal telepathy? Does his obsession with flashing lights explain why he fixated on the police? All these questions and many more may or may not* be answered. Stay tuned, lunacy fans!

*probably not

Seems to me that Sledge can hear me telepathically. Twice the forum has stopped suddenly, once when Jack by the hedge was called a liar and also when I mentioned that my name is Dave and that I live in Cambridgeshire as Pup suggested.

Why did no one simply mention that I could agree with anyone’s posts of name and town? Presumably it is because you already know it to be true as you know my name and where I live yourselves.

I was wondering if the near acknowledgement that someone can hear me had scared the forum posters into not posting as the forum suddenly stopped. I thought that Sledge was probably one of them. All of a sudden Sledge then starts posting again and accuses me of being frightened off. Seems to me he is accusing me of what I just accused him of when I thought about it.

How do you conclude I was frightened off when I was the last poster and no one had posted for a few days?

I would be very confident is accusing Sledge and Jack by the hedge of lying when they categorically say that they cannot hear my thoughts simply by what they post. If I am wrong I would give you each $100000. I know my money is safe though.

If I prove my telepathy is real which I still believe I will, what is the chance of me ever meeting Sledge or Jack by the hedge? Zero in my opinion even if I posted on this forum once I had proven myself to request that they volunteer to take a P300 or other accurate “telepathy test” from any distance with a $100000 apology if I am wrong. Like I said, I know my money is safe, they will either not volunteer to take it or avoid it another way as they know they can hear me and they know they would fail the test.

golfy

PS Beelzebuddy, I lived in St Ives a few years ago – too may clues that fit for it to be coincidence considering the amount of towns in Cambridgeshire and the amount of counties in the UK for posters to guess from.

http://www.aboutbritain.com/counties/towns-in-cambridgeshire.asp

 

[dlorde]

...If they say no, ask the polygraph operator if he's telling the truth. If the operator says, "No, the subject is lying" then once again Golfy is proved right.

If the polygraph operator says, "Yes, he's telling the truth" everyone will know that the operator is wrong and he's just proved his machine is worthless. Everyone will know, because everyone can hear Golfy's thoughts.

This puts the polygraph operator on the spot. He can't cheat Golfy and cause him to fail without ruining his own career.

Yeah, but if the polygraph operator knows he's on the spot, risking his career, he'll lie and say "No, the subject is lying" even when he isn't

Dang! I wish you lot would stop thinking for a moment so I can get some peace...

 

[desertgal]

Seems to me that Sledge can hear me telepathically. Twice the forum has stopped suddenly, once when Jack by the hedge was called a liar and also when I mentioned that my name is Dave and that I live in Cambridgeshire as Pup suggested. <snip>

Sledge cannot hear you telepathically. Jack by the hedge cannot hear you telepathically. No one can hear you telepathically. You are not telepathic. You are, by your own admission, schizophrenic.

The forum did not stop. The forum kept going. This THREAD slowed down because everyone participating is tired of fueling your delusional reality.

Get a doctor, get some help, get a life.

 

[Senex]

If everyone can hear you why would you need to use a keyboard?

 

[Pup]

as you know my name and where I live yourselves.

Well, that's true. You already told us in this thread that you live in Cambridgeshire, but since you asked for a town, I picked the most prominent one, and guessed wrong.

A quick google on "golfy" showed that you signed your name Dave, which gave me a strong suspicion that your name was, in fact, Dave.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

too may clues that fit for it to be coincidence considering the amount of towns in Cambridgeshire and the amount of counties in the UK for posters to guess from.

Wikipedia only lists a dozen or so major towns, and you supplied the county yourself. Of those towns I knew Cambridge was out, otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned the county at all. Googling it, it looks like St. Ives popped out at me 'cause of that "seven wives" riddle.

Technically, I'm wrong, you don't live in St. Ives, but you wanted me to be right so you glossed over the relevant detail yourself. If you hadn't lived in St. Ives, maybe you have relatives or a good friend there, and you would have mentioned that instead. By being just vague enough, I can help you convince yourself that my wild-ass guess is correct.

The technique is called "cold reading."

Your good friend, by the way, (William? Am I hearing that right? Maybe Peter?) wants to say "sorry about the pub thing."

As for the thread slowdown, it's become patently obvious that we're never going to get through to you. Despite the fact that none of us can hear your thoughts, nothing we can say can convince you that we aren't just lying about it. Therefore, we've resorted to mild, good natured mockery with a few listless, half-hearted attempts at direct reasoning to pass the time.

 

[golfy]

Good one Pup, I thought it may have been something like that as forum posters love to play mid games to try and fool others to big themselves up. I would still bet you $100 000 that you can hear me telepathically and be confident that you will never take it off me as the test would go my way. Easy for me to write as it is for you to deny that you can hear me.

I don't really want to do any more postings at the moment as I need more evidence on my side to prove my premise. Simple back and forward arguing or forum posting will not do me any favours as it takes up my time which can be used more constructively.

I will do more tests that will produce something worth talking about, positive or negative, instead of the same old useless banter that proliferates this forum.

Endless discussion with mind game posters will not get me anywhere but distract me from taking steps forward.

golfy

 

[Sledge]

The forum did not stop. The forum kept going. This THREAD slowed down because everyone participating is tired of fueling your delusional reality.

Interesting to see what happened: golfy posted some of his usual twaddle, I (in a rare fit of seriousness) responded with some serious thoughts on telepathic transmission*, a few other people posted stuff that went unanswered, golfy posted about being from Cambridge. At this point, the thread stopped as it was clear golfy wouldn't respond to any serious points made. Two days later, beelzebuddy bumped the thread and I, having returned to normal, responded with joking/irrelevancy/light-hearted mockery (delete as applicable). golfy takes this as a sign I can read his mind. I have a theory of my own: golfy is afraid to engage in any serious discussion of his telepathy, but will respond to any flippant post, claiming it proves we can hear him and are conspiring against him. He can, of course, prove this wrong by responding to the post I made re: telepathic transmission on the 10th of April. He can also knock off calling me a liar as I believe that is against the terms of the membership agreement.

*you know, reading back, they really were some good thoughts on telepathy and I put some time and effort into considering this. You'd think anyone who was telepathic would want to discuss that. Hmmm...

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Good one Pup, I thought it may have been something like that as forum posters love to play mid games to try and fool others to big themselves up. I would still bet you $100 000 that you can hear me telepathically and be confident that you will never take it off me as the test would go my way. Easy for me to write as it is for you to deny that you can hear me.

I don't really want to do any more postings at the moment as I need more evidence on my side to prove my premise. Simple back and forward arguing or forum posting will not do me any favours as it takes up my time which can be used more constructively.

I will do more tests that will produce something worth talking about, positive or negative, instead of the same old useless banter that proliferates this forum.

Endless discussion with mind game posters will not get me anywhere but distract me from taking steps forward.

golfy

I Agree no one would win your challenge simply because I'd wadger your test goes something like this:

Golfy: Can you hear my thought?
Testee: No..
Golfy: LIAR! YOU CAN! YOU HAVE FAILED THE TEST!