why Nuclear Physics cannot be entirelly correct

[Nihilianth]

Rather than handing out a bunch of yellow cards, I am going to remind you all about Rule 6. I trust the disruptive formatting will cease. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jhunter1163

Ok, I'll stop. I personally (as I assume others in here as well,) just wanted to make a point about terrible typeface formatting.

 

[Nihilianth]

Guys. Lighten up on the poor English. It's not his mother tongue. We cut people slack when they've managed to learn two or more languages.

I can't do it.

So I'm damn sure not going to mock someone who can do at least that much better than I can.

The math? Give him hell.
The credentials, likewise.

But ease up on the English. He's not doing all that badly, considering.

We now return you to your giving of hell to the math noob.

The problem is, he never specified that it is his second language. I know it was asked on a couple of occasions, and he never responded. The right and proper thing to do, would have been to apologize for butchering the language, and explain he is not a native speaker. Of course the grammatical errors and typos would be immediately forgivable. But to continue to speak in the manner he is speaking in, without any explanation, is not, IHMO.

 

[Nihilianth]

Actually its a standard undergrad text and pretty good. I would suggest either
a) Pedrone is incapable of copying properly
or
b) Pedrone has a foreign language version he has stuck though an internet translator.

yeah, I figured that. I just wanted to make a point that all books, when being quoted, must be 100% properly quoted word-for-word. Otherwise, you could very well be assumed you are quite dishonest on what any given text ACTUALLY says.

 

[RobDegraves]

Nihilianth

Actually, I think that this statement you made is likely incorrect.

But I know for a fact you know far more about nuclear physics than I do

I doubt highly that pedrone can do more than cut and paste his arguments, which explains his reluctance to do any actual science or math.

It's a rather typical troll ploy and ends up the same way... with people annoyed and nothing accomplished.

 

[Nihilianth]

Nihilianth

Actually, I think that this statement you made is likely incorrect.



I doubt highly that pedrone can do more than cut and paste his arguments, which explains his reluctance to do any actual science or math.

It's a rather typical troll ploy and ends up the same way... with people annoyed and nothing accomplished.

Well, I did add in parentheses: "That isn't saying much."

If you can have a rating of understanding between 0 and 1000, with 0 being me and 1000 being Stephen Hawking; even a 1 to 5 is still far more than I know.

 

[Nihilianth]

We couldn't simulate such ignorance if we wanted to.

It would be quite the challenge to program such an AI to do just that. lol.

 

[Tubbythin]

Well, I did add in parentheses: "That isn't saying much."

If you can have a rating of understanding between 0 and 1000, with 0 being me and 1000 being Stephen Hawking; even a 1 to 5 is still far more than I know.

I'm not sure about this. Does thinking you about something about a subject make you more enlightened about that subject than someone who says they know nothing if most of what you think you know is completely wrong?

 

[Nihilianth]

Conspiracy theory:
the man never landed the moon​

According to some guys who defend a conspiracy theory, Armonstrong did not land the moon.

And I'm starting to believe in such conspiracy theory , because according to Yukawa theory the 3rd Newton's law does not exist.

Therefore, according to Yukawa the rocketships cannot exist:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_489414da060a14b7dc.jpg[/qimg]​

Be aware: this do not exist !!!!​

There is a conspiracy trying to make you believe that rocketships exist !!!
Do not allow they fool you.

VOTE​

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who is right ?​

I'm confused....

 

[Nihilianth]

I'm not sure about this. Does thinking you about something about a subject make you more enlightened about that subject than someone who says they know nothing if most of what you think you know is completely wrong?

lulwut? Did you just ask me if it is possible that I know more than him on the subject of nuclear physics because I know I know nothing on the subject, whereas he also knows nothing of the subject, and yet talks as if he does, and actually thinks he does?

Regardless, that question was kind of neat, if a bit on the confusing side of things.

 

[Nihilianth]

these ones:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205767

Posting your credentials to the OP?

Maaaannnn, I feel like a small little second-grader having nuclear engineering being explained to them in this entire thread....It seems I will be doomed to be confused forever in here.

ETA: Finally caught up in this thread. Nothing was resolved, and I am not much more confused about atoms and such than I ever was....

I am also quite confused by the phenomenon that just because you can start a thread on a public internet forum site, that somehow qualifies that you have credentials in the field of......of.....whatever this thread is a field of.

 

[Tubbythin]

lulwut? Did you just ask me if it is possible that I know more than him on the subject of nuclear physics because I know I know nothing on the subject, whereas he also knows nothing of the subject, and yet talks as if he does, and actually thinks he does?

Obviously it should have said "Does thinking you know about something..."
But in a sense, yes. "A little learning is a dangerous thing". Essentially, those that don't know will tend to trust those that they perceive to be experts. While those that know something (whether it is right or not) may feel qualified to come up with their own theories. Which can often, though not always, give a worse result than just trusting an expert.

Regardless, that question was kind of neat, if a bit on the confusing side of things.

Thanks.

 

[Belz...]

Needless to say, the coach wanted to try out again. We refused, as we had a place to play on a good team. The school's 7th/8th grade team ended up with a record of 2-23, while my team went on to Regional play again, this time for the Senior league.

A very interesting anecdote. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Belz...]

I am! I am up to page 8 already! (sort of passing the time at the hospital. My wife is recuperating after giving birth to twin boys on Friday! )

The smileys was the exact order of my reaction, watching the process.

Twins ? You have no idea what's waiting for you. Bwahahahaha !!!

 

[Belz...]

And therefere Newton's Mechanics is unacceptable

You absolutely have to give us your real name, now. I can't wait to see your name in the papers after you win your Nobel prize.

 

[slingblade]

The problem is, he never specified that it is his second language. I know it was asked on a couple of occasions, and he never responded. The right and proper thing to do, would have been to apologize for butchering the language, and explain he is not a native speaker. Of course the grammatical errors and typos would be immediately forgivable. But to continue to speak in the manner he is speaking in, without any explanation, is not, IHMO.

You're a teacher, right? Get off the playground, that's my friendly advice. The jibes about language aren't furthering what little argument remains here, and you are all educating ME about things I don't know much about. Don't screw that up by continuing to taunt the guy about spelling.

I'm just making a request. But come on. I can't learn anything wading through pages of "Ur liek a bad spller, kthxbai."

 

[Reality Check]

VOTE​

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who is right ?​

Both are right.
Your assertion that

Yukawa proposed a model of neutron in which a meson jumps between two protons. So let's compare his model with two men in two boats in a lake, throwing a watermelon game, as shown in the figure:

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Each man plays the role of a proton, and the watermelon plays the role of a meson.
...

has no basis in science.
The mesons do not violate Newton's laws for the same reason that the virtual photons mediating the electromagnetic forces between positive and negative particles do not. Ditto for all the other virtual particles mediating attractive forces.
The best explanation that I have seen about why they are responsible for attractive forces is at Some Frequently Asked Questions About Virtual Particles. The basic reason is quite simple - this is quantum mechanics not classical mechanics!

 

[Nihilianth]

A very interesting anecdote. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks. But do I sense a bit of sarcasm? lol.

 

[Nihilianth]

Twins ? You have no idea what's waiting for you. Bwahahahaha !!!

Oh, but I do! I AM a twin. At least, I know form experience, that just because one twin is the evil one and always misbehaves, doesn't mean the other one is automatically guilty by default.....(My stupid brother always got me in trouble, just through association. He got punished for something, I was always getting punished right alongside him, even though I was in a completely different place at the time the crime went down. )

 

[Nihilianth]

You're a teacher, right? Get off the playground, that's my friendly advice. The jibes about language aren't furthering what little argument remains here, and you are all educating ME about things I don't know much about. Don't screw that up by continuing to taunt the guy about spelling.

I'm just making a request. But come on. I can't learn anything wading through pages of "Ur liek a bad spller, kthxbai."

Certainly, there is nothing better than to visit a forum or a culture of a foreign tongue. And if you specify that it isn't your first language, there is no credibility decrease whatsoever. Your poor use of a second language is done through no fault of your own, and is completely forgivable.

But, if you do not specify that it is not your first language, then constantly misspelling the same things over and over again, and poor use of grammar kinda hurts your credibility to some degree. But what REALLY kills your credibility, is the misspelling of words and phrases, and poor use of grammar that has to do with your particular field of expertise, without explanation that it is your second language.

like with you. I can take you completely seriously, despite maybe some lack of spelling and grammar skills, because you have come out and let me know that English is not your second language. If anything, what skills you DO have in understanding the language actually makes your credibility increase, and you gain of a lot of respect because you do understand the language quite well. And you are giving it a shot and working at understanding. I hold people such as you with a lot of respect for this very reason.

Myself, my grandfather was teaching me a lot of Italian before he died. But I placed very little effort into actually actively learning the language.

 

[pedrone]

Wrong. Here are Newtons equations for the three laws
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_234094da20ebc06d89.jpg[/qimg]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_234094da20ebc06d89.jpg

You know as much about classical physics as you do about quantum physics. Almost nothing. Where did you study physics and what are your credentials?

History
Newton's original Latin reads:

Lex I: Corpus omne perseverare in statu suo quiescendi vel movendi uniformiter in directum, nisi quatenus a viribus impressis cogitur statum illum mutare.

Lex III: Actioni contrariam semper et æqualem esse reactionem: sive corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse æquales et in partes contrarias dirigi.


So, no equations